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Matt06
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: New bike - riding without tax Reply with quote
Just bought a Honda Bros 650 to commute on. The bike has an MOT but no tax. The bike is only about 20-30 miles away.

Would I have any issues riding it back without tax. It will be insured.

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PostPosted: 22:32 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've never even been insured when picking a bike/car up. I wouldn't worry as long as you're taking it straight home.
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
You could ride it straight to the local PO & tax it with the new keepers bit provided you have an insurance cert.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Re: New bike - riding without tax Reply with quote
If you're very unlucky, yes. But then you might be very unlucky when you do have tax and have an arsey cop make something up about your bike which is wrong. Keep an eye out for tax vans and turn off before you get to one if you see one Smile.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's one in a million that you will get bummed by the long cock of the law to be honest, just do it and stop being a pussy.
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
L-Jam wrote:
It's one in a million that you will get bummed by the long cock of the law to be honest, just do it and stop being a pussy.


Have you seen the fine for getting caught. Like said above just go to PO and tax it with the new keepers slip and insurance docs.
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 20 May 2010    Post subject: Re: New bike - riding without tax Reply with quote
Matt06 wrote:
Would I have any issues riding it back without tax. It will be insured.

Cheers.


Erm... An untaxed bike is not insured.

So yes these are actual real issues. Only if you are caught of course.

No tax. No insurance. Many points. Much fine.

Risk it if you want. Personally I wouldn't.
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PostPosted: 06:50 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Re: New bike - riding without tax Reply with quote
carlosfandango wrote:

Erm... An untaxed bike is not insured.

I think you're getting confused there - an uninsured bike is not insured.
An untaxed bike is not taxed.
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Unless you have some direct evidence to the contrary - however personally I'd be sceptical that was the case even if it was written in the insurance documents.

I have known enough people to get done for no tax, none of them got done for no insurance by the police.
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PostPosted: 07:16 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Re: New bike - riding without tax Reply with quote
G wrote:
I think you're getting confused there - an uninsured bike is not insured.
An untaxed bike is not taxed.
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Unless you have some direct evidence to the contrary - however personally I'd be sceptical that was the case even if it was written in the insurance documents.

I have known enough people to get done for no tax, none of them got done for no insurance by the police.


In my policy it says the bike must conform to road standards in regards to insurance tax and a valid mot certificate...

that said, when i bought my 125 i rode it back from Biggin Hill to maidstone on busy A roads and some M roads.. no tax and had been insured for about 10 minutes, not even on the database when i got home Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:00 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Re: New bike - riding without tax Reply with quote
Your insurance document probably says all modifications must be declared – so if you’re say not using an original manufacturer indicator bulb, your insurance is invalid on those grounds. The reality is you’re still insured.
Even if it was actually your non-standard bulb failing that caused the accident, they would still pay out, but consider claiming back from you.
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Re: New bike - riding without tax Reply with quote
carlosfandango wrote:
Matt06 wrote:
Would I have any issues riding it back without tax. It will be insured.

Cheers.


Erm... An untaxed bike is not insured.

So yes these are actual real issues. Only if you are caught of course.

No tax. No insurance. Many points. Much fine.

Risk it if you want. Personally I wouldn't.


Erm it is. Insurance is required for obtaining a tax disc, roadtax is not required to insure a bike.

VERA has a list of excemptions for roadtax, however there isn't an excemption from the Insurance requirement that is available to most people.

If memory serves the Police have the option to confescate and crush an untaxed vehicle but I am very confident that there are no points involved.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for the input!

Picking the bike up tonight and just going to take the risk.

If I do get stopped, I'll just explain the situation and hope the officer isn't cock.
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Matt06 wrote:
Thanks for the input!

Picking the bike up tonight and just going to take the risk.

If I do get stopped, I'll just explain the situation and hope the officer isn't cock.


Just tell the Plod you got your legal advice from some cnut on the bcf forum. You'll be fine.. Razz

If he does still wish to make issue of it then come back to bcf and the 'panel of experts' will no doubt advise. Laughing

I think it's a fair cop if you get nabbed. My bikes and cars are all taxed and insured when I use them and I go to the bother of SORN-ing too. So why should there be any allowance for others?

It happens regularly enough to make it worth police time to run checks.
I myself wouldn't risk it.
Tell the owner to fucking tax it for you. the cost for tax is mucho less than the hassle of getting nipped for none.

But then again you are free to do as you desire.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Walloper wrote:
Just tell the Plod you got your legal advice from some cnut on the bcf forum. You'll be fine.. Razz

Certainly better than taking advice from a 'cee nut' of a police person who is likely to know even less about reality in a lot of cases - they just seem to think they know more Wink.
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Walloper wrote:
Matt06 wrote:
Thanks for the input!

Picking the bike up tonight and just going to take the risk.

If I do get stopped, I'll just explain the situation and hope the officer isn't cock.


Just tell the Plod you got your legal advice from some cnut on the bcf forum. You'll be fine.. Razz

If he does still wish to make issue of it then come back to bcf and the 'panel of experts' will no doubt advise. Laughing

I think it's a fair cop if you get nabbed. My bikes and cars are all taxed and insured when I use them and I go to the bother of SORN-ing too. So why should there be any allowance for others?

It happens regularly enough to make it worth police time to run checks.
I myself wouldn't risk it.
Tell the owner to fucking tax it for you. the cost for tax is mucho less than the hassle of getting nipped for none.

But then again you are free to do as you desire.


But the issue is you need insurance documents to get tax. The current owner doesn't use the bike any more so they are hardly going to pay for insurance just to tax it.

For me to get it taxed I would have to insure it, wait for the docs, go and pay/get the V5 then go to a Post Office get the tax and then pick the bike up.
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Can't you just use the numberplate off your current bike?
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
A lot more serious penalties if you get done for that.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
being caught with no tax isnt even bad.

I was unknowingly untaxed for 2 months on my old ktm.
Cost me a £33 fine or something and i had to tax it.

You dont get points.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you insure and tax it online "now", you won't be illegal apart from not displaying the tax disc. (which costs 60 pounds, no points on your licence) I always insure the bike before buying.
If you change your mind you just cancel the policy which is free of charge.
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Although a lot higher penalty, less likely to get pulled as your bike wont be flagged up for no tax on the anpr. As we all know when we get stopped and the coppers rides a Yamaha Hayabusa, most of em know naff all about bikes and bike models..
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Matt06 wrote:
But the issue is you need insurance documents to get tax. The current owner doesn't use the bike any more so they are hardly going to pay for insurance just to tax it.

For me to get it taxed I would have to insure it, wait for the docs, go and pay/get the V5 then go to a Post Office get the tax and then pick the bike up.


Well buy a trailer or hire a van or wait.
I have insured vehicles I was selling just to get tax before. Then refunded the insurance.
There are lots of ways to do this. If you are patient.

You never actually plan to be stopped by the police or to be involved in an RTA so that is the risk you take.

No Tax?
No Insurance? they could decide to crush the bike.
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tutton wrote:
Although a lot higher penalty, less likely to get pulled as your bike wont be flagged up for no tax on the anpr. As we all know when we get stopped and the coppers rides a Yamaha Hayabusa, most of em know naff all about bikes and bike models..


I had a Suzuki Fireblade after my first Yamaha Hyabusa. Great bikes. Thumbs Up Smile
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
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No Tax?
No Insurance? they could decide to crush the bike.

Except he'll have insurance. And the police could decide to crush the bike if they so desired regardless. Might as well not ride at all if that's what you're worried about.

Furthermore, if he was the sort that was never going to break traffic laws, it's understandable - but the reality is all (or at least six-sigma) riders and drivers DO break traffic laws.
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G wrote:
Walloper wrote:

No Tax?
No Insurance? they could decide to crush the bike.

Except he'll have insurance. And the police could decide to crush the bike if they so desired regardless. Might as well not ride at all if that's what you're worried about.

Furthermore, if he was the sort that was never going to break traffic laws, it's understandable - but the reality is all (or at least six-sigma) riders and drivers DO break traffic laws.


Aye.

Matt06 wrote:
For me to get it taxed I would have to insure it, wait for the docs, go and pay/get the V5 then go to a Post Office get the tax and then pick the bike up.


I read it is not insured.

What's your point caller?
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 21 May 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Walloper wrote:


Aye.

Matt06 wrote:
For me to get it taxed I would have to insure it, wait for the docs, go and pay/get the V5 then go to a Post Office get the tax and then pick the bike up.


I read it is not insured.

What's your point caller?


Didn't fancy reading THE FIRST POST then?

Would I have any issues riding it back without tax. It will be insured.


Also if you read the whole of a post you might get some context.

Matt also stated

But the issue is you need insurance documents to get tax.

Implying the documents (V5/insurance) would not have arrived in time.


In other words, jog on. Thumbs Up
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