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Mudskipper
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Got an opinion on the new bike tests? Reply with quote

The new Gubmint are conducting a review.

Get involved if you want the chance to have a say.

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Motorcycle Test

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Transport (Mike Penning):
I am announcing today a review of motorcycle tests in Great Britain. The new two-part motorcycle test that was introduced in April 2009 has clearly led to some concern among motorcycle groups, particularly about the safety of the off-road module 1 part of the test and about the difficulty of accessing the limited number of off-road test centres.

The new test was introduced in order to meet the requirements of the second EU directive on driving licences. While most elements in the module 1 test are required by the directive, there may be scope for us to make some changes to the way in which the test is carried out.


We will be working with the motorcycle community and road safety groups to look again at the current form of the motorcycle test. This review will look at the manoeuvres carried out in both modules 1 (off-road) and 2 (on-road) and whether these manoeuvres could safely be conducted in the on-road test.


The review will also look at other related motorcycle testing and training issues, including the options for training and testing for progressive access under the third driving licence directive and how any changes relate to wider proposals to improve motorcycle training and testing.


We are inviting views from members of the public, motorcycle riders, trainers, road safety groups and others on what aspects of the motorcycle test they want us to look at, including how and where they think motorcycle testing might best and most safely be carried out.

Views should be submitted to the Department for Transport (RUSD4consultation@dft.gsi.gov.uk) by 31 July. We aim to conclude the review by the autumn
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i dont think even tho theres a current around 50% fail on mod1 that it should be made easier, its people going in ill prepared for it, ive done it before heck, but i took out some training for mod1, and ended up passing it with no minors.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did my test on the 28th of May, no problems at all, it really wasn't very difficult and just requires bike control... which is the entire purpose of the exercise. The tarmac we did it on was immensely grippy, it was amazing, and it's apparently like that in the wet too as it's porous. These people that fall off etc are doing something drastically wrong, i.e braking while swerving.

I have no problems at all with the new test.
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave it as it is Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the only thing i'd change is a slighty longer run up to the speed trap so you don't have to hammer the shit out the bike in the hope that you've got the speed up enough.

It would make much more sense to cruise into the speed trap and the swerve than it is to currently accelerate very aggressivly into it.
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

But, the problem most people have is they dont hold enough speed around the bend, which is another skill your going to need to know on a bike at some point anyway?
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The impression I get off here is that it's not too difficult or as dangerous as some feared it would be.

Possibly the cost and inconvenience are still barriers for some, if they could change the 50kph for the swerve to 30mph, it might open up the possibility of doing it all on-road.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mudskipper wrote:
The impression I get off here is that it's not too difficult or as dangerous as some feared it would be.

Possibly the cost and inconvenience are still barriers for some, if they could change the 50kph for the swerve to 30mph, it might open up the possibility of doing it all on-road.


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PostPosted: 11:39 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to agree with the above really. Essentially the manouvres are the same as they were on the old on road test and all are relevant to road riding.

At least if you fail Mod 1 on something its only a tenner to do it again, if you dabbed on the U turn on the old test you would have had to pay for the 70 quid or whatever to retake the entire test.
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave it as is, it's fine.

I hit 69kph on the swerve and the e-stop, it's all about holding your line and speed through the corner.

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PostPosted: 11:48 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

would be interested in knowing how the speed trap is calibrated. as I failed once for only doing 49kph when my speedo showed more than that, do they not take into account a margin of error?
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stowelly wrote:
would be interested in knowing how the speed trap is calibrated. as I failed once for only doing 49kph when my speedo showed more than that, do they not take into account a margin of error?


Did you not get two goes? i didn't even look at my speedo... open the fucker up, swerve, stop. Plenty of time to do all 3
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acemastr wrote:
Stowelly wrote:
would be interested in knowing how the speed trap is calibrated. as I failed once for only doing 49kph when my speedo showed more than that, do they not take into account a margin of error?


Did you not get two goes? i didn't even look at my speedo... open the fucker up, swerve, stop. Plenty of time to do all 3


yeah you do. but I failed the previous time doing exactly the same thing as you, but ended up going through at 70kph and had to lock the back wheel up to even get myself to stop in time!
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Managed to pass my MOD1 on a ZZR600 i'd barely ridden before with no lessons and that was in a carpark full of leaves whilst it was pissing it down..

My closest test centre was about 18 / 20 miles away, and the next one after that was about 45 miles away, so i do agree there needs to be more of them and more conveniently placed !
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only one issue that I have with the test, and that's that the students are expected to stop in the same distance after the swerve whether it's wet or dry. Which seems to negate advice that you should leave double stopping distance in the wet.

There need to be more test centres (though we're comparatively lucky down here)

The introduction of the (not now so new) test killed the industry - of predominately self employed and not well paid people. I don't want to think about what will happen post 3rd EU Directive, and am very glad that I'll be part time and nearly out of it by then.

In an ideal world, where school's were given facilities/time to train their students properly, the 2 part test poses no problem to anybody - the Mod 1 set pieces are a piece of piss. It's the lack of facilities to train and increased cost to everybody that's causing an issue.
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imonster wrote:
Only one issue that I have with the test, and that's that the students are expected to stop in the same distance after the swerve whether it's wet or dry. Which seems to negate advice that you should leave double stopping distance in the wet.


The stopping distance quoted in the highway code from 30 mph is 14 meters.

In the Mod 1 test you have over 40 metres from passing through the speed gate to reaching a halt within the cones for the controlled stop.

Which sounds like plenty to me, even in the wet...
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

In short,

New test isn't as bad as everyone makes out. I passed 1st time on both mods.

The only down side to the new test is the distance people have to travel.

They need more test centres to stop people moaning.

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PostPosted: 17:37 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

njd27 wrote:


The stopping distance quoted in the highway code from 30 mph is 14 meters.

In the Mod 1 test you have over 40 metres from passing through the speed gate to reaching a halt within the cones for the controlled stop.

Which sounds like plenty to me, even in the wet...


And the Highway Code is the best indicator of stopping distances?! Laughing Is it still 315ft from 70? Seems fairly pessimistic to me given modern braking technology...

Regardless, the point I was trying to make is this...

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Stopping Distances

Drive at a speed that will allow you to stop well within the distance you can see to be clear. You should

* leave enough space between you and the vehicle in front so that you can pull up safely if it suddenly slows down or stops. The safe rule is never to get closer than the overall stopping distance (see Typical Stopping Distances PDF below)
* allow at least a two-second gap between you and the vehicle in front on roads carrying faster-moving traffic and in tunnels where visibility is reduced. The gap should be at least doubled on wet roads and increased still further on icy roads


They need to either increase the distance require to stop in the dry, or increase it in the wet IMHO, if only to follow their own directives.
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imonster wrote:

The introduction of the (not now so new) test killed the industry - of predominately self employed and not well paid people. I don't want to think about what will happen post 3rd EU Directive, and am very glad that I'll be part time and nearly out of it by then.


I had wondered whether it had had this effect elsewhere. My mates have gone from 2 full time and one part time instructors working 6 and occasionally 7 days a week all summer, to barely a full Saturdays work with the main DAS instructor having to take another job to pay the bills.

Or maybe its just that everyone up here that wants to, has passed their test now Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acemastr wrote:
Did my test on the 28th of May, no problems at all, it really wasn't very difficult and just requires bike control... which is the entire purpose of the exercise. The tarmac we did it on was immensely grippy, it was amazing, and it's apparently like that in the wet too as it's porous. These people that fall off etc are doing something drastically wrong, i.e braking while swerving.

I have no problems at all with the new test.


This is my first post here so hello!

I took my module 1 a few weeks ago in Gloucester (its the one in the DSA videos) and I'm taking module 2 tomorrow. I have to say I agree with the post above, it tests basic bike control and its fine. They even give you two goes at the swerve/emergency stop, provided you don't do anything unsafe or skittle cones everywhere, so whats the problem?

The proximity of the metal fence is a bit disconcerting but its not that hard, provided you've done some decent preparation. The only pain in the arse are the distances to your nearest centre.

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PostPosted: 21:57 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Compared to the reality of riding in London or similar, it actually sounds quite useful.

A shame that some people have to travel so far to do it.

Do you have to have just a provisional licence? Wouldn't mind a go for a tenner Razz.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps it is possible to incorporate the Mod 1 with the CBT?
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

its 15.50 not a tenner Razz
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Compared to the reality of riding in London or similar, it actually sounds quite useful.

A shame that some people have to travel so far to do it.

Do you have to have just a provisional licence? Wouldn't mind a go for a tenner Razz.


Dunno about that, but my local test centre is available for hourly hire on a Sunday if you can get enough people together to make it viable Very Happy
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