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PostPosted: 14:44 - 14 Nov 2009    Post subject: Failled Part 1 Reply with quote

Well I took it today no previous training as unabl eto get anyone just practicing myself.

However passed the parts Ihought i would have struggled at and failed the parts I thought would have been easy.

Not 100% my fault as such as I just stuck a new tyre on my bike last night and had the test this morning and when it came to the swerve done it fine but skidded when i came to stop in the box, ground was well wet as well.

Also skidded at the emergency stop.

Apart from that everything else was fine.

So have had to rebook cant get it until 2 weeks time though
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 14 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds like the tyre let you down there, got my mod1 in january, tempted to ask if i can warm the tyres up beforehand! find it ridiculous they let you do it on cold tyres in the wet, you'll pass next time!
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 14 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's nonsense to expect people to be able to stop as well in the wet as the dry. Loads of people have failed because of this. Apparently they even make people do it when it's snowing, as long as it's not too bad. Whatever too bad would be - maybe four inches on top of hard packed ice Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 14 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fail to preper, prepare to fail.

Perhaps a little tuition would have helped you prevent two skids in the wet.

Better luck next time now you know what is involved.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 14 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skudd wrote:
Fail to preper, prepare to fail.

Perhaps a little tuition would have helped you prevent two skids in the wet.

Better luck next time now you know what is involved.


Yep exactly, however it is a piss take up here cannot get anyone to train you up here been trying to go for my 500cc bike test for months and just gave up as unable to get any training so just doing it on my 125cc.

But yes have a better idea now, but having to wait another 2-3 weeks for a new test.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 14 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
It's nonsense to expect people to be able to stop as well in the wet as the dry. Loads of people have failed because of this. Apparently they even make people do it when it's snowing, as long as it's not too bad. Whatever too bad would be - maybe four inches on top of hard packed ice Shocked


maybe till they cant see the markings?
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PostPosted: 06:56 - 15 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

timboellis wrote:


Yep exactly, however it is a piss take up here cannot get anyone to train you up here been trying to go for my 500cc bike test for months and just gave up as unable to get any training so just doing it on my 125cc.

But yes have a better idea now, but having to wait another 2-3 weeks for a new test.


I see quite often at the test station, many lads on bikes only see the test lay out and have a go of it the first time they take their test. Probably one of the reasons it get such bad press. Many schools are not set up to teach Mod 1. My mate, has bought an old carpark for his riding scholl and has set up the course for his pupils, but this is rare.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 15 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

When i sat my mod 1, on the emergency stop my back wheel breifly skidded but i quikly released and reaplyed the brake to controll the skid. this must have been o.k. cause i passed. how long did you skid for
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 15 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting through that Mod1 seems to be pot luck. I'm glad I never had to do it.

Better luck next time, I'm sure now you know what to do you'll breeze it.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 15 Nov 2009    Post subject: Part 1 Reply with quote

It was a a fair skid about a meter i guess, however I now know what to expect, so need to wear my tyre back in have already ordered new front pads.

Get them on and start practicing emergency stops again.

What annoys me is the fact on all the practice emergency stops i have done I have never skidded once.

I did notice the ground there was quite slick brand spanking new tarmac, so will try on the equivalent if i can find some.

One thing I am not 100% sure if i done it or not was to come off the throttle coming out of the speed control.

Buy have re booked it for 3 weeks time bit of a pain that is
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 15 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: Part 1 Reply with quote

timboellis wrote:

But have re booked it for 3 weeks time bit of a pain that is


surprised the wait is that long since the credit crunch in all
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 15 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You see as we are the shittest country in europe with constant rain, they should of changed a few thing on our version of the testing but... WE'RE BRITISH! WE CAN'T DO FUCK ALL RIGHT! Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 16 Nov 2009    Post subject: Re: Part 1 Reply with quote

blindweezy wrote:
timboellis wrote:

But have re booked it for 3 weeks time bit of a pain that is


surprised the wait is that long since the credit crunch in all


Well thats quick fo rup here, fed up of it , the time it takes to get a test.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 16 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
It's nonsense to expect people to be able to stop as well in the wet as the dry. Loads of people have failed because of this.


How is it nonsense?

The next car that pulls out on you isn't going to give you any more of a stopping distance because it's wet.

If someone can't do an emergency stop or swerve when they know it's coming and have plenty of time to prepare for it, then how are they going to have any chance of avoiding a car that's pulled out on them and taken them by surprise?

I remember some stupid woman who broke her arm going on about how someone is eventually going to get killed because of the new test. What nonsense. If someone can't do an emergency stop or swerve then they shouldn't be on the roads as that's where they'd get killed.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 16 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

david_m213 wrote:
27cows wrote:
It's nonsense to expect people to be able to stop as well in the wet as the dry. Loads of people have failed because of this.


How is it nonsense?

The next car that pulls out on you isn't going to give you any more of a stopping distance because it's wet.

If someone can't do an emergency stop or swerve when they know it's coming and have plenty of time to prepare for it, then how are they going to have any chance of avoiding a car that's pulled out on them and taken them by surprise?

I remember some stupid woman who broke her arm going on about how someone is eventually going to get killed because of the new test. What nonsense. If someone can't do an emergency stop or swerve then they shouldn't be on the roads as that's where they'd get killed.



Well have to agree there it is there for your own safety, however the swerve test I found a lot easier than most folk were making out.

I have ordered new front pads and giving my tyre a good run in for next test.

Also noticed that I need to give it a bit more speed as well, I was clocked at 49KMPH!!! So if i did not skid I still would have failled.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 16 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

You failed once, no big deal, it could be worse. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 17 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

david_m213 wrote:
27cows wrote:
It's nonsense to expect people to be able to stop as well in the wet as the dry. Loads of people have failed because of this.


How is it nonsense?

The next car that pulls out on you isn't going to give you any more of a stopping distance because it's wet.


Firstly, the swerve is the avoidance maneuver so should be used on a car pulling out on you. The emergency stop is a separate maneuver according to the EU directive - it's only the UK that insists you swerve then stop.

Obviously the stop can be affected by weather... As the DSA suggests extra caution and greater distance to the vehicle in front in adverse conditions I would argue that if you are doing so you are likely to have more distance to stop in a road situation.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 17 Nov 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

david_m213 wrote:
27cows wrote:
It's nonsense to expect people to be able to stop as well in the wet as the dry. Loads of people have failed because of this.


How is it nonsense?

The next car that pulls out on you isn't going to give you any more of a stopping distance because it's wet.

If someone can't do an emergency stop or swerve when they know it's coming and have plenty of time to prepare for it, then how are they going to have any chance of avoiding a car that's pulled out on them and taken them by surprise?

I remember some stupid woman who broke her arm going on about how someone is eventually going to get killed because of the new test. What nonsense. If someone can't do an emergency stop or swerve then they shouldn't be on the roads as that's where they'd get killed.


I think what he meant was, it was nonsense to expect people to be able to stop as effectively in the wet as in the dry, not that they should be able to stop as well (as in 'also' ot 'too.')

Fortunately I didn't have to do this test, I passed mine before it was all changed. There is another post in the current affairs section with the trasncripts from a fact finding parliamentary committee re. this part of the test. Basically they say (among other things) this part of the test is flawed as it asks the rider to swerve then do an emergency stop, when in reality, they swerve then slow down at a more sedate pace as the mergency would effectively be over.

They also said, would it not be better to add something to the car tests about taking more time to look for bikes as it's proven (apparently) the accident this is aimed at preventing is actually the fault of the car driver (usually pulling out of a junction without first having checked properly) as opposed to the motorcyclist.

I think the main stumbling block with the new off-road section is they don't allow enough space, you have to accelerate very hard just to obtain the required speed then swerve & stop. The punch line is, if you don't manage it, you have a real crash.

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PostPosted: 15:16 - 05 Dec 2009    Post subject: Failled Reply with quote

Well tried again today and failed becuase I reached 48 then 47 on both runs for the emergency stop and the swerve.

I cannot get the speed up on my bike in 2nd and if i go into 3rd the speed then drops down to 45 as not enough space to pick it up

So admitting defeat and giving up as cannot get any training to do this up here, cannot get the speed with the machine i have and cannot pin the guy up here to get training on his machine.

Also a 3-4 week time span between tests is just silly and only tests available on a sat.

Well the thought was nice getting a bigger bike!
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 05 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you are giving up biking altogether or are giving up on the 125 and getting a bigger bike?
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 05 Dec 2009    Post subject: Re: Failled Reply with quote

timboellis wrote:
So admitting defeat and giving up as cannot get any training to do this up here, cannot get the speed with the machine i have and cannot pin the guy up here to get training on his machine.


Unlucky...

Not worth giving up though - I did my test a long way from my house, stayed at a mates house. Have you considered an intensive course, 2 days somewhere near where your mates/family live?
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 05 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

R32 wrote:
So you are giving up biking altogether or are giving up on the 125 and getting a bigger bike?


It sounds like he is giving up trying to pass his test.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 05 Dec 2009    Post subject: Failled Reply with quote

Yes just giving up on passing my test.

Do not fancy traveling over 100 miles or so for the sake of a 10 min test and 1 hour training and having to pay for a hire bike etc.
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 05 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear that it didnt go so well again- the speed thing is awful- would love to know the percentage of people who dont pass because of being slightly slow.

Both my other half and me failed because we were too slow on our first attempt. I had severe doubts about putting it into third gear thinking it would slow down but I did, and thats what gave me that extra bit of speed just before the speed checker thing- but I was revving the life out of the poor thing going around the corner lol

Dont give up the idea completely- at the worse just delay it until the summer again when the course will be drier which will make you feel more confident. Thumbs Up

Remember that module one is the worst of the two- but I am sure you will be able to get it up to speed- after all I managed it even though I am quite a hefty lump Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 06 Dec 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been doing it every Sunday for the last 3 weeks mate. It's common, and a fucking unbelievably ridiculous test.

Never in my life will I have to accelerate so aggressively round a bend only to swerve seconds after.

First time I failed because I locked up back wheel on controlled stop and my bike flicked into neutral on slow riding manoeuvre.

Second time I did everything alright but I locked up front wheel on emergency stop.

Today, I failed because I tapped (didn't stop) the floor with my foot on the slalom. I've done it perfectly every time, except this.
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