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Raffles
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: 'av some of that. Reply with quote
Many of us grumble about how harsh we feel that the police treat us. They could treat us much worse:-

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and_canada/10336500.stm

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PostPosted: 11:04 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
I saw a bit of the clip in the gym lastnight, I thought it was Sky news' usual round up of funny clips from youtube.

It looked like self defence to me, she was having a bit of a go at him as I recall, (i'm at work so can't view the clip right now.)

There is something about a policeman 'punching' a person though, its as if they shouldn't but its ok if they use a baton. Its a wierd one, I think because I associate 'punching' with thuggery but if I see a policeman weilding a baton (in a fair and measured way) then it doesn't look so bad.

There was another clip on Sky News/Sport. Big football crowd and policeman was standing with his baton on his shoulder, they were coralling a crowd. A young guy was giving the police lip (Again I was in the gym wurkin' on ma guns so no sound.) Anyway, the cop just chinned the guy, it just looked wrong to me. The police should be able to whack someone if their safety is in question, but that football guy was just being lippy, the whole crowd was retreating.

I just wondered what came of that, there was a lot of people in the crowd writing things down and telling the police they needed to calm down.

Anyway. These things happen all the time and much worse besides, doesn't make it ok right enough...

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PostPosted: 11:05 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you play it backwards, you will see that the cop is actually removing his fist from her face. Kinda like when cops helped Rodney King up from the ground and *most certainly did not* beat him with truncheons
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pepper spray??

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PostPosted: 12:08 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Itchy wrote:
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/10340798.stm Thinking


He may have gotten away with it, but theres no getting away from his name; he'll always be called Delroy Smellie.

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PostPosted: 13:25 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
She was asking for it. If that was 2 guys fighting with a police officer they'd both have got a smack and probably a gun pointed at them. We live in an age where they is supposed to be equal treatment between the sexs, yet girls seem to be able to get away with kicking guys in the balls. The police man was probably anticipating a ball kicking Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Re: 'av some of that. Reply with quote
Raffles wrote:
Many of us grumble about how harsh we feel that the police treat us. They could treat us much worse:-

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and_canada/10336500.stm

Mind how you go.


Good shot.

You start interfering with a policeman trying to do his job and you get what you deserve.

Subduing someone without hurting them is hard enough; when the odds change to 2 on 1, you need to make sure they are dealt with hard and fast IMHO.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Re: 'av some of that. Reply with quote
defblade wrote:
Raffles wrote:
Many of us grumble about how harsh we feel that the police treat us. They could treat us much worse:-

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and_canada/10336500.stm

Mind how you go.


Good shot.

You start interfering with a policeman trying to do his job and you get what you deserve.

Subduing someone without hurting them is hard enough; when the odds change to 2 on 1, you need to make sure they are dealt with hard and fast IMHO.


Agreed. I think the police are too soft on yobs to the point that they're ineffective. What about if they were about to nick your bike and the single cop who tried to stop them did that?
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You start interfering with a policeman trying to do his job and you get what you deserve.


And when the police man starts interfering with a person trying to live there lives?..take it like a good boy i imagine would be your answer Laughing

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Subduing someone without hurting them is hard enough; when the odds change to 2 on 1, you need to make sure they are dealt with hard and fast IMHO


I am so glad these two individuals were swiftly subdued! the world is now a safer place! to think one of them CROSSED THE ROAD Shocked Shocked.

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Agreed. I think the police are too soft on yobs to the point that they're ineffective. What about if they were about to nick your bike and the single cop who tried to stop them did that?


You would agree as this is beneficial to your nervous system how ever what if some loud mouth disrespectful pig got into your mothers face about crossing the road and she stood up for her self and got jawed?I am sure you would send him flowers..

The pigs a fool for letting the situation escalate and having so much awareness he did not notice he was on camera,it was not even an arrestable offense why so much drama?

You want to know why? Because he is an officer of the law and you will do what ever he says Wink
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mad_Mushroom wrote:
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You start interfering with a policeman trying to do his job and you get what you deserve.


And when the police man starts interfering with a person trying to live there lives?..take it like a good boy i imagine would be your answer Laughing

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Subduing someone without hurting them is hard enough; when the odds change to 2 on 1, you need to make sure they are dealt with hard and fast IMHO


I am so glad these two individuals were swiftly subdued! the world is now a safer place! to think one of them CROSSED THE ROAD Shocked Shocked.



I've never had the opportunity to resist arrest, but I'm really not sure that I'd bother trying.

It doesn't really matter what the "crime" may or may not be... you don't fight the police (unless you're guilty Wink ) and you certainly don't join in a fight against the police.

No respect in the world.

What is the problem with "take it like a good boy" if either (a) they're wrong and you'll be let go again (b) they're right and you'll be in court. It's not like the police tend to fatal beatings and people disappearing either here or in the USA, at least.... it'll be sorted out one way or another. Physically fighting about it with a constable just isn't going to help anything.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
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It doesn't really matter what the "crime" may or may not be... you don't fight the police (unless you're guilty Wink ) and you certainly don't join in a fight against the police.


We do not fight the police because there is no unity and no one has the balls to,if how ever any time a police officer stepped out of line and badly abused the power granted to him by the people he was beaten within inches of death we would see less of it.

Law and order are best off being upheld but to what cost? This officer got him self into a situation he could not handle and did not feel safe in and this resulted in him jawing her...he could of hospitalized her,lost his job,been sued or ended up in prison him self and for what? To give a ticket to a j walker Laughing

Its Good to know people and officers will risk all they have to enter a situation and stop loss of life/property and violence..this is what they do! But then you have nobbers who will go all out for a speeding ticket and drop you for a fine Laughing If he cant handle the situation and there is no loss of life/property at risk why enter it alone and let it escalate-law Enforcement is a joke and creates disrespect,keeping the peace is where its at.
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
try the spanish guardia, first time in my life i respect the police,

the police here caught some dodgy dvd Chinese seller tryin to flog them in a commercial centre, they pulled him up and were sternly talking to him when his wife/girlfriend came up giving lip and just generally being loud and pain in the arse, the guardia took one look at her and punched her straight in the face,. floored her, she then got back up and just walked off, lesson learned................half hour after the police left he was back flogging alice in wonderland mp4 style lolol
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Police officers are authorised to use force to do their jobs. If they had to just back off if someone resisted arrest, they couldnt really do their jobs.

So in the same way, if someone obstructs a police officer from making an arrest they should expect an extreme reaction.

Having said that, some sections of the population break the law so frequently that a police officer doing his job would be seen as harassing that section of the population, by that section of the population.

Police as a whole have to be sensitive to that perception.
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I had the pleasure of watching the police arrest a drugged up, convicted child molester, sleeping rough by a school, with items on him that he is known to use to groom young kids.
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 17 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I had the pleasure of watching the police arrest a drugged up, convicted child molester, sleeping rough by a school, with items on him that he is known to use to groom young kids.


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Skudd wrote:
I had the pleasure of watching the police arrest a drugged up, convicted child molester, sleeping rough by a school, with items on him that he is known to use to groom young kids.


I once had the smug pleasure of standing in a custody suite watching an old duffer who'd anally raped juvenile male relations for years get charged with multiple offences - he'd been a tosser throughout because he thought he'd scared them all into silence.

Unfortunately for him the kids had all been braver than he thought and had given statements against him.

His face was a picture - plenty of crims get away with stuff, but gucci jobs like that working out well give you a warm fuzzy feeling.

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Pa Broon wrote:
There is something about a policeman 'punching' a person though, its as if they shouldn't but its ok if they use a baton. Its a wierd one, I think because I associate 'punching' with thuggery but if I see a policeman weilding a baton (in a fair and measured way) then it doesn't look so bad.


I tend to go along with what you say there - perception is often king, when in fact we should all really pay homage to context!

Unless I'm expecting mucho violence, my tickling stick stays in its holster at 99.9% of incidents. As such, if someone decides to unleash a can of whoop-ass on me, my first response is likely to be a cheeky little empty-hand strike - because my hands are....empty!

Being unarmed means I am probably more likely to feel threatened by violence than when I have my baton racked and ready, and thus my response is more likely to be forceful - and quite right too, if I feel my safety is at risk.

So, ironically, a more placid and civilised posture can result in a seemingly-more violent take down, when in fact an objective observer would realise that I had made every effort to be as low-key as possible.

I'm sure that most BCFers would prefer an ugly shit like me to turn up to their domestic fight/stolen bike/inappropriate animal relations 999 call shaking hands and talking like a normal person, not shuffling towards them with a racked baton screaming "KEEP YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM PUNK!".

The same goes for distraction strikes in order to restrain people (you'll remember a few videos being posted on here over the years, to howls of protest, as coppers appear to punch people already restrained on the ground).

Most people who fight will continue to struggle until they feel those cuffs click onto their wrists. At that point, they either realise the hopelessness of their situation - or they feel that they have made enough of a macho display 'for the honour of the flag'.

It's quite normal for very strong or very crazy people to be able to ignore pain compliance or just simply not allow their limbs to be restrained using the usual locks and holds. Usually a few strikes to the limb in question can either distract them or weaken it enough for the arm to be bent and the cuffs to be applied.

There probably aren't many BCFers who could easily place an angry Mr J into cheeky backhammers; but were several of you to hold me down while one applied distraction strikes to my mighty arms, you'd probably have me trussed up in a jiffy. Just please don't let weirdos like Flip anywhere near me while I'm vulnerable! Wink

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PostPosted: 12:55 - 18 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:

Most people who fight will continue to struggle until they feel those cuffs click onto their wrists. At that point, they either realise the hopelessness of their situation - or they feel that they have made enough of a macho display 'for the honour of the flag'.


Had a drugged-up addict give me a forged script once. He was still fighting when laid face down on the floor of the police crew bus, cuffed, with 3 or 4 police kneeling on him to keep him still-ish.

(That one went for assault as well as I scraped my hand putting him on the floor to wait for the police.... followed by a course of HepB jabs for me. Not much fun there.)
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 18 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Aye Defblade - I've seen plenty of similar incidents, whether they be drunk, drugged, in the throes of excited delirium or just plain crazy.

I was going to type a long spiel about an incident with a severely autistic kid that kicked off, flat-packed his house and battered his parents, and came closer to handing me my arse on a plate than anyone else ever has.

However, to tell that tale, I have to describe how totally fucking useless the social services were, and how they failed to help us, the parents or the poor fucking kid - and it makes me so angry I had to give up!
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 19 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
There probably aren't many BCFers who could easily place an angry Mr J into cheeky backhammers;


Are you going to Molly's barbecue? That could be a fun game.
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I'm working, so I guess we'll never know!

Anyway, how could I be angry surrounded by all you lovely people! Wink
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You have a point there James,my perception of it was that he felt unsafe and lashed out in uncontrolled fear which would if that were the case make him a rather poor officer.

Distraction strikes shed a new light on it and they are no doubt better for the person than being gased or stunned Laughing
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I haven't even watched the footage - I wasn't there, and I wasn't in his shoes.

Sometimes a quick blow to end a scuffle immediately is actually a lesser use of force than what might result with a softer initial approach - especially if you are outnumbered. As you say, getting sprayed or tazered isn't very pleasant either.

Context is paramount - it's how HE felt AT THE TIME with the information he had THEN that counts.

Just as it is in the thousands of civilian self-defence cases in this country that don't go to court because the police recognised they were reasonable. Naturally, that doesn't make the papers because it doesn't allow the Daily Fail to squawk with outrage.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 19 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
If they media out rage and constant coverage of negative events to the point of obsession with every detail given ended i think that would have a positive effect on society,but either way when a person reads a story they are going to sum it up using there own experiences and ways of being in the world.

For some one who would not feel threatened in that situation or punch the bint in the face its easy to jump to the conclusion that the cop was a little over reactive...

For you James some one who deals with this stuff on a day to day basis and has been trained in the ways deemed fit by those up top you can see what he was actually aiming to do ( if youd watched it Laughing)

And then for those with an image of a cheeky chav in there minds its a simple Get some av it you see that you see that!He done her in the face bahahaah.

Society will never be perfect and views will always differ, and now for a ten minute long well deserved slap!

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