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PostPosted: 13:55 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Deepwater Horizon and the Good Ole US of Arseholes V The UK Reply with quote

Why are BP getting all of the blame for this? Shocked
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's Obama's way of diverting attention away from some of the other problems that his Marxist administration faces.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Re: Deepwater Horizon and the Good Ole US of Arseholes V The Reply with quote

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Why are BP getting all of the blame for this? Shocked


Because the safety mechanism was semi-functional, had been for some time and BP knew it.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure.

I think they have over all corporate responsibility. Its not being very widely reported at all that compensation would come not only from BP but also from Halliburton and Transoceanic.

What is entertaining though are some of the excellent comments coming out of the mouths of the most cretinous Americans ever. In a sense, we're getting our own back by giving them an airing. Even Obama's posturing about kicking ass is a bit pathetic.

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PostPosted: 14:47 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

BP were running the rig, ergo it's ultimately their responsibility. I don't see why it's "US vs UK". My patriotism certainly doesn't extend to oil companies. Particularly ones with records like this.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put a 3 litre bottle of water on the palm of your hand. Quite heavy? Thats 1ft or so of water. Imagine the bottle was 5000ft tall. Your hand would be smashed into the floor and all its bones broken. That is the depth that the well is at. They have done some very impressive work with remotely operated vehicles to try to tackle the problem despite the fast that it is very hard to know what actually went wrong they are still trying to avoid it happening again.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/05/25/us/20100525-topkill-diagram.html

Was very informative in showing what they have tried. BP have said that they will use all the funds from the capture of the oil to fund the clean up operation, however they only own 65% of the well, and the US government will be taking 18% in duty.

So considering that BP has so far been the only company attempting to stop the spill, clean things up, and is the only one of the 3 companies involved that isn't making money off this disaster i feel they are a little hard done by. Yeah big business is always evil, and he oil companies are pretty big, but i'd have to ive them a 7 or 8 out of 10 for effort which is a shit load more than normal when a big company fucks up. I think they have probably just spent too much time and money trying to fix the problem rather than on PR.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:14 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's Obama's way of diverting attention away from some of the other problems that his Marxist administration faces.


He,s also quite anti-british in his views which is not surprising when his father was a Mau Mau supporter.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think he is truely anti british, i think he wants to distance himself from the commitment to the whole special relationship thing that bush was so keen to cultivate.

We've got our falklands oil to go with our north sea oil so fuck um Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think his administration holds the view that Britain and the so called special relationship are a painful reminder of the war in Iraq and the unfettered support the Blair government gave to George W Bush's administration.

Its just populist political bullshit, Obama's no different. Going by what US bloggers are saying, they're as unimpressed with what Obama's doing as he seems to be with BP.

One comment I read goes along the lines of Obama not being able to sort it out because the well-head is 5000ft under water and he can only walk on top of it.

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PostPosted: 20:54 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a few years time, just like all other oil spills in the past, everything will be back to normal.

Oil spills, whilst messy, are not like man-made chemical spills or nuclear contamination.
Big clean-ups, and the bacterial breakdown of the rest of the crude oil, (crude is a natural substance, and thus will eventually disappear naturally), will ensure no lasting affects.

Crude has, is, and always will be, leaking naturally from fissures in the ground and under the sea.
Nothing to do with man, it naturally just leaks out constantly.
There must have been billions of tons of the stuff seeping out over the centuries, but it causes no major problems.

A good side effect of this sort of spill, is that it sends all the sandal-wearing yogurt weavers into absolute apoplexy, and that can only ever be a good thing.
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PostPosted: 22:14 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think he is truely anti british, i think he wants to distance himself from the commitment to the whole special relationship thing that bush was so keen to cultivate.

We've got our falklands oil to go with our north sea oil so fuck um Laughing


Not truly anti-British? His book Dreams From My Father is full of anti-British sentiment and slurs. He makes many unsubstantiated claims. Amongst these claims is one that alleges that his Kenyan Grandfather was tortured by the British authorities during the Mau Mau uprisings in Kenya during the 1950s. If he truly believes this to be true then it may help to explain his frigidity.
Upon entering The Oval Office one of his first actions was to order the removal of a bust of Winston Churchill which had been loaned to the previous administration by the British Government.
As for The Falkland Islands, I wouldn't expect us to be able to hold on to them indefinitely. Whilst we received limited support from Ronald Reagan's administration during the conflict with Argentina in 1982, I very much doubt that we would receive any help whatsoever from the current administration if a similar situation was to occur anytime soon. During the recent stand off with Argentina over oil drilling rights America was not supportive of our stance and was pretty much pro-Argentinian.
Special relationship? I don't think so.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 09 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didge wrote:
In a few years time, just like all other oil spills in the past, everything will be back to normal.

Oil spills, whilst messy, are not like man-made chemical spills or nuclear contamination.
Big clean-ups, and the bacterial breakdown of the rest of the crude oil, (crude is a natural substance, and thus will eventually disappear naturally), will ensure no lasting affects.

Crude has, is, and always will be, leaking naturally from fissures in the ground and under the sea.
Nothing to do with man, it naturally just leaks out constantly.
There must have been billions of tons of the stuff seeping out over the centuries, but it causes no major problems.

A good side effect of this sort of spill, is that it sends all the sandal-wearing yogurt weavers into absolute apoplexy, and that can only ever be a good thing.
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natural does not mean harmless.

Its the sudden release of large amounts of a substance that is a problem. Small amounts arent nearly so hazardous.

Back on topic.

The reason BP are getting the blame, is partly because they are responsible, even if they werent negligent.

Another interesting aspect, is it may allow Obama to be a bit more tought with oil companies.

I think this is a good thing, as Obama has a bit of an influence towards right and wrong and social justice, rather than just bowing to big business.

I think a big part of the reason we invaded Iraq was due to pressure from oil companies, who wanted the oil.

Interestingly, I know someone who works for BP, and on their face book page, there is a link to a wikipedia page about BP, and basically BP used to get the vast majority of its oil from Iran, only giving Iran a tiny slice of the profits. When Iran threatened to renegotiate the contract, they were threatened with invasion by Britain.

To be fair, nationalising the oil industry would have been unfair on BP after the investment they had made, but should they have been allowed to extract oil and only give the owners of the land a tiny cut ?

Oil it's a dirty business.
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 10 Jun 2010    Post subject: Re: Deepwater Horizon and the Good Ole US of Arseholes V The Reply with quote

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Walloper wrote:
Why are BP getting all of the blame for this? Shocked


Because the safety mechanism was semi-functional, had been for some time and BP knew it.


Where is the evidence that BP knew of the BOP faults for some time? Some time as in???
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 10 Jun 2010    Post subject: Re: Deepwater Horizon and the Good Ole US of Arseholes V The Reply with quote

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Where is the evidence that BP knew of the BOP faults for some time? Some time as in???



The stockmarket.

Goldman Sachs 3 weeks before the oil spill sold a suspiciously large number of shares 44% of its entire holdings and went short on loads of them. This is abnormal as they were making a mint off the dividends off the shares.

Also the CEO of BP sold 35% of his shares 10 days before the leak.

These two incidents alone look incredibly suspicious much like before 911 in New York there was a massive shorting of air line stock.
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 10 Jun 2010    Post subject: Re: Deepwater Horizon and the Good Ole US of Arseholes V The Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
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Where is the evidence that BP knew of the BOP faults for some time? Some time as in???



The stockmarket.

Goldman Sachs 3 weeks before the oil spill sold a suspiciously large number of shares 44% of its entire holdings and went short on loads of them. This is abnormal as they were making a mint off the dividends off the shares.

Also the CEO of BP sold 35% of his shares 10 days before the leak.

These two incidents alone look incredibly suspicious much like before 911 in New York there was a massive shorting of air line stock.


Don't be soft.

The US are just itching to pump the UK.
They are reeling from the problems their Sub Prime deals caused and are looking to get compen from anywhere stupid enough to entertain them.

The latest pish from their 'government' is that BP should be forced to compensate workers laid off due to the leak.
Like British companies were compensated when Bush stopped buying UK steel all of a sudden.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10281079.stm

America use most of the oil in the world and you cannot have your cake and eat it.
They have also probably polluted most of the planet too.

Fuckers.

Though it really goes hard against every ounce of reason in me I sincerely hope and pray that England beat the twats on Saturday.

(My natural Celtic opinion on 'English Sporting endeavour' will revert to normal later. Laughing )
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 10 Jun 2010    Post subject: Re: Deepwater Horizon and the Good Ole US of Arseholes V The Reply with quote

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America use most of the oil in the world and you cannot have your cake and eat it.
They have also probably polluted most of the planet too.


Precisely, it's not as if the rig was built without consensus. Either they can start paying more for oil or they can persevere with risky deep water drilling and to hell with the consequences. I'd give good odds on the latter. Razz
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 10 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The latest pish from their 'government' is that BP should be forced to compensate workers laid off due to the leak.


Dam right they should pay.

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Like British companies were compensated when Bush stopped buying UK steel all of a sudden



How can you compare Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 10 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Union Carbide, Bhophal 25000 dead, and the compensation took 20 years to arrive. Even then it wasn't even 10% of what was demanded.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 10 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Septics love to roll the Brits whenever the fancy takes them.
This I blame on King George III for not slapping the cheeky fuckers earlier.
They are led as sheep and can be a despicable bunch of halfwits when poked by upstarts, troublemakers or religious freeques.

I work for American companies so maybe I should Zip it now.... Embarassed
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 10 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

pa_broon74 wrote:
Even Obama's posturing about kicking ass is a bit pathetic.



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That is taken out of context. He was asked before his response, on whether or not it was time to "kick some butt". His words were a tongue-in-cheek response, using Matt Lauer's words back at him. Watch the whole thing. He's not trying to be badass. He's just paraphrasing the reporter's words. Maybe flexing just a bit, but it's not quite what that video makes it out to be.

Watch here: https://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201006080006




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PostPosted: 14:36 - 10 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albion wrote:
pa_broon74 wrote:
Even Obama's posturing about kicking ass is a bit pathetic.



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That is taken out of context. He was asked before his response, on whether or not it was time to "kick some butt". His words were a tongue-in-cheek response, using Matt Lauer's words back at him. Watch the whole thing. He's not trying to be badass. He's just paraphrasing the reporter's words. Maybe flexing just a bit, but it's not quite what that video makes it out to be.

Watch here: https://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201006080006




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Maybe so.

But it doesn't negate the general effect his negative stance toward BP is having and that was the point I was tyring to make.

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PostPosted: 15:09 - 10 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it not Transocean's fault because of the faulty BOP but BP's responsibility for the clean up because it's their oil? I read somewhere that Transocean had a couple of other faulty BOP's in India..?
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 10 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
The Septics love to roll the Brits whenever the fancy takes them.

Just this comment alone reveals how little sense the rest of your posts contain.

Do you actually believe the American government goes out of its way to taunt Britain just for fun?
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 11 Jun 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doug97 wrote:
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The Septics love to roll the Brits whenever the fancy takes them.

Just this comment alone reveals how little sense the rest of your posts contain.

Do you actually believe the American government goes out of its way to taunt Britain just for fun?


Taunt? Who suggested Taunt? I only mentioned what respected authority in UK has also intimated.

There are far too many people spouting shit who do not know one red cent's worth about the intricacies of this situation.

It is Transocean's rig, (possibly Transocean's Blow Out Preventer) and Transocean's rig crew.
There is a person called an O.I.M. (Offshore Installation Manager) who is hired by the Drilling Contractor (Transocean) and he answers to the Client (Company) BP and also to the contractor's head office (Town/The Beach).
He is ULTIMATELY responsible for the safe operation of the installation.
He signs off all work sheets, inspection/testing records before equipment can be used or as and when required whilst in service.

If BP wish to carry out any operation/s that could compromise the integrity of the well or the safety of the rig or personnel then the O.I.M. has full LEGAL authority to STOP operations.
This is not the way it happened.
Transocean have not followed industry standards.
But... Since the Customer BP is responsible for the lease. They have to accept the duty to clean up.

I am certain BP's lawyers and operation managers are working with the drilling contractor's people to secure compensation from them for incompetence.

If, for example, you were to hire a taxi and whilst en route to your destination the driver crashed into someone who would get the blame????
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