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PostPosted: 17:17 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: U turn help Reply with quote

This is the road I have been doing my u turns in and I can just manage them in the space there is (it's quite tight) will this be ok and to an acceptable standard for my module 1? Thanks

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PostPosted: 17:21 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only done the old test but based on that then your road is more than good enough. If you can U-turn on that side street then the ones used for test should be ok.
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can JUST do it there so hopefully everything will be ok, just trying to practice them all before going in for it
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

the u turn at the mod 1 is about 7 decent paces wide. Prob about half that road again so you should be fine. As its been said. Don't forget the checks.

check each shoulder. Pull away, another check before you turn and then as you turn the bike look where you want to be. Keep the revs busy and feather the clutch
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with above. That road and then a bit more is the size. I did mine on Thursday.

Remember your observations. Your lifesaver before you take off and again before you actually turn into the U.

Tips for the manouvre.
Shift your weight on the seat slightly to the left. Helps keep you up right.
Keep nice revs, clutch in slightly and use your back break at the same time. It keeps you in good control and smooth.
Try to turn fairly tight so you can straighten up and stop beside the instructor safely and well.

Its not as hard as you think it is. You will pick it up quickly. The figure of 8 is more difficult. So get the U turn then work on the figure 8.
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Practice practice practice...you only need to do it once, perfectly in your life, and that's on your test....once you've got your ticket you can sit and paddle your bike round like the rest of us!!! Razz
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I practiced in three normal parking bays. The area at the test centre is actually bloody huge and you'll only make it difficult by trying to turn too tight.

I struggled for a bit with them to be honest, I can say that keeping your head up, gripping the tank and most importantly looking where you want to go got me through it Wink
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

module 1 U turn space is 7 meters just so you know...
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might be a silly question but have you watched the module one video on the Direct.gov site? Have a look, that might give you some idea of how close you are and the other rubbish you have to do.

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PostPosted: 21:31 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slacker24seven wrote:
This might be a silly question but have you watched the module one video on the Direct.gov site? Have a look, that might give you some idea of how close you are and the other rubbish you have to do.

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I went to have a look and it was under maintenance it said
That road is about 4 metres MAXIMUM so if it is 7 metres that's good just remember all my checks
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 23 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can do it on that road i think you'll be fine.
the way i learnt it, do your lifesaver but then keep looking at the spot you want to turn to
slip the clutch, if you start to wobble, let it out a bit.
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 24 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

That should be plenty for the U turn, but there's not really much of a limit for the figure of 8, as long as you don't leave the compound you should be alright Wink. Remember you can use the last slalom cone for your figure of 8 (you can go between the last two yellow cones, you don't have to go between the yellow and blue one. I know my instructor said I could but I cannie remember for the life of me if I actually did... too much concentrating on the mod 2!

The only other thing on your Mod 1 is: Don't lock the rear wheel during the emergency stop. That's where most people come a cropper...

The bad thing is you only usually notice you've done that when the cloud of smoke overtakes you as you stop, so remember the 70/30 ratio.

Use your first run at your hazard perception as a practice run, if you don't get the speed up you get another go Smile.
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PostPosted: 08:40 - 24 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Willson wrote:


The only other thing on your Mod 1 is: Don't lock the rear wheel during the emergency stop. That's where most people come a cropper...

The bad thing is you only usually notice you've done that when the cloud of smoke overtakes you as you stop, so remember the 70/30 ratio.

Use your first run at your hazard perception as a practice run, if you don't get the speed up you get another go Smile.


for the emergency stop the instructor said to me that the best way to do it is to just rest your foot on the back brake but dont put any pressure on and use just the front brake.

the momentum shifts forward as you pull the front brake in and your foot will automatically depress the back brake enough to stop but not skid. remember, a skid is a losing control of the bike therefore a fail.

dont hammer the front brake on either. nice gentle squeeze with constant pressure should be enough
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 24 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh yes I remember that one, just make sure it looks as if you're using the back brake or they could fail you there as well!
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PostPosted: 10:38 - 24 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone! Booking my theory this afternoon

I'll get practicing my Emergency stops then, to get up to the correct speed (I'm only on a Yamaha SR 125) would you advise not going all the way through the gears and testing the quickest way to get upto 32mph going upto only the fourth gear?
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 24 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i done mine on a 500cc so cant really tell you, we had it in second and if i remember right the instructor told the 125 guys to just hammer it in second or 3rd. the engine will be screaming at you to change gear but dont.

the only thing i can suggest is try it. if you can reach 32mph in second then only do it in second. dont make things hard for yourself.

during the emergency stop dont touch the clutch untill your about to come to a standstil. the examiner will be watching for you pulling that clutch in early and he will fail you. however, he wont fail you if u stall providing you've made an effort to pull the clutch in at the last moment. and as soon as you've stopped do a double shoulder check to make sure theres nothing about to drive up your arse. it sounds silly considering that your in an enclosed area on your own but at the start the examiner tells you to ride as if your on the road.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 24 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks pinky, I'll give it a go in 3rd seeing if I can reach it easily enough, does anybody know how long the distance is between the end of the 19mph bend and the speed trap? thanks
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 24 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure of the distances but this might help

https://www.lightningpass.com/jkcm/cache/fl0000846.jpg

you'll have plenty of time to get up to speed. and the course is wide enough to do more than 19mph in the bend. there is no speed trap in the bend so just hammer it if you feel you can get round. the more speed u carry out of that corner the less you have to find.

word of advice tho. dont worry about what the speedo is doin. while you practice at home its fine to make sure your doin the right speed. but on test day dont worry about it. u do get 2 goes at it and if he tells you he wants u to do it again then ask him what speed you were doing. he wont voulenteer the info. but he will tell you if asked.

think of it this way, if your lookin at your speedo to see how fast your goin then your not lookin at the examiner putting his hand in the air
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 24 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
i done mine on a 500cc so cant really tell you, we had it in second and if i remember right the instructor told the 125 guys to just hammer it in second or 3rd. the engine will be screaming at you to change gear but dont.

the only thing i can suggest is try it. if you can reach 32mph in second then only do it in second. dont make things hard for yourself.

during the emergency stop dont touch the clutch untill your about to come to a standstil. the examiner will be watching for you pulling that clutch in early and he will fail you. however, he wont fail you if u stall providing you've made an effort to pull the clutch in at the last moment. and as soon as you've stopped do a double shoulder check to make sure theres nothing about to drive up your arse. it sounds silly considering that your in an enclosed area on your own but at the start the examiner tells you to ride as if your on the road.


Ditto, I did mine on an ER5 and kept it in second. I really wouldnt bother fannying about getting it into third on a 125 if it will do 32 mph in second. You don't get any minors for being too loud!

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PostPosted: 13:24 - 24 Jul 2010    Post subject: Advice from having just done my Mod1 Reply with quote

For the Emergency stop and swerve, accelerate hard and stay in second gear. Break mainly with the front break and release the back break in the final 10ft or so as your front break will stop you and this is when your back break is most likely to lock up.

Immediately close the throttle after passing the speed check equipment. The examiner cannot tell your speed after this point.

The U turn does have a limit. My test centre had painted lines which were the kerb. Also, very important to check with your examiner. Some will let you go around the last cone, others will not. The examiner will not mind you asking the question. And it could be the difference between a pass and a fail.

The distance for the swerve is something around 22 metres. Its very easy to do. Just relax and you'll do fine.
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 24 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: Advice from having just done my Mod1 Reply with quote

C-Pk wrote:


Also, very important to check with your examiner. Some will let you go around the last cone, others will not. The examiner will not mind you asking the question. And it could be the difference between a pass and a fail.
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for each part of the test the examiner will explain what he wants you to do and then ask you if you have any questions. if your unsure or didnt hear correctly then ask him to repeat it or explain it again. as c-pk said, could be the diff between a pass and a fail
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 25 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you're going around the bend at the end of the course, open it up half way through the corner in first, change to second and open the throttle as far as you can.

I did that on my Marauder and just about got up to speed.
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