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PostPosted: 10:10 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Insurance - letting your friend ride your bike Reply with quote

Wondered how people on the forum have dealt with this.

Got a friend from overseas visiting for a weekend - an experienced rider. I'm happy for him to ride my bike as and when he wants (and when I'm not riding it).

Now I know you can add an additional rider on the insurance, but does anyone know of an insurance company that will allow me to insure my bike so that anyone I allow to ride my bike will be covered without me having to add each individual person separately? It's such a pain in the ass and I have to do it each time I let someone else ride it.

I know for cars, you can basically let friends drive your vehicle and it would be covered by insurance, so why not bikes? I know bikes are inherently more dangerous than cars - but the principle is no different. Anyone could trash a car just as easily as they could a bike.

I'm only concerned about the compulsory 3rd party aspect - don't particularly care about my own bike being trashed.

Any advice / thoughts?
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PostPosted: 10:13 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Not sure how common such cover is for cars, but would think there is no real reason it couldn't be available for bikes. However they might well charge the earth for it.

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PostPosted: 10:25 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My policy states that I can ride anypersons bike TPO aslong as I have their permission and its not for hire or reward.

So basically my own insurance would cover me too ride your bike (aslong as its insured) but TPO only.

If your friend is insured, maybe read his policy wording?
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wabby wrote:
My policy states that I can ride anypersons bike TPO aslong as I have their permission and its not for hire or reward.

So basically my own insurance would cover me too ride your bike (aslong as its insured) but TPO only.

If your friend is insured, maybe read his policy wording?


As he is foreign I doubt it.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: Insurance - letting your friend ride your bike Reply with quote

kbot wrote:
I know for cars, you can basically let friends drive your vehicle and it would be covered by insurance


Erm, not on any policy I've ever had. Confused

You need to specifically state in your policy to have 'any driver' cover - which is more expensive, and you have to actually ask for it, it doesn't come as standard.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every single insurance policy I've ever had for bikes besides 1, so, 3 policies has given me "Ride other bikes" without asking for it.

If he doesn't have that, why not just use eBike or something to let him buy a month long policy or add him to your insurance?

You CAN get cover to allow such things, my car cover allows "Any person over 25" to drive it insured, but that's because it's business cover.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ how is he going to have insurance??
he is from overseas,


he either have to get him added to your insurace, or he has to get his own policy,

if he doesnt and get pulled over on your bike,
its not him that gets in trouble.. its you,
the police tow the bike and you have to go to court, for allowing him to ride the bike un-insured,
(i found out this the hard way)

so call yopur insurer and add you mate as a named rider,
pretend he is your partner, not just a random off the street
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
If he doesn't have that, why not just use eBike or something to let him buy a month long policy or add him to your insurance?


this.

insure hom for a month. will cost like £30 depending on the bike.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: Insurance - letting your friend ride your bike Reply with quote

kbot wrote:

I know for cars, you can basically let friends drive your vehicle and it would be covered by insurance, so why not bikes? I know bikes are inherently more dangerous than cars - but the principle is no different. Anyone could trash a car just as easily as they could a bike.

Only on commercial policies generally - I've had this for van insurance in the past. For commercial stuff like vans it makes more sense - as you may have one of twenty people in your staff who wants to drive it and not want to update the policy everytime you get a new staff member or hire a contractor.

Not seen it for home policies for cars and obviously a lot less likely for bikes.

To be legal, they could always get daily insurance, or an ebike monthly 'pay as you go' policy.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alternatively you can go to a dealer and note down the reg of a 50cc moped and insure it with ebike on your mates name. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: Insurance - letting your friend ride your bike Reply with quote

G wrote:

To be legal, they could always get daily insurance, or an ebike monthly 'pay as you go' policy.


Sorry but this isn't possible. You can't insure a vehicle twice.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: Insurance - letting your friend ride your bike Reply with quote

calyx wrote:
G wrote:

To be legal, they could always get daily insurance, or an ebike monthly 'pay as you go' policy.


Sorry but this isn't possible. You can't insure a vehicle twice.


If that were the case you'd be a bit screwed if you bought a bike off someone who, because of cancellation charges decided to just let their policy run for term.You'd have a bike you couldn't insure for months.
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's visiting for a weekend, tell him to get a bus Smile
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: Insurance - letting your friend ride your bike Reply with quote

calyx wrote:
G wrote:

To be legal, they could always get daily insurance, or an ebike monthly 'pay as you go' policy.


Sorry but this isn't possible. You can't insure a vehicle twice.


of course you can..

it is only illegal to CLAIM on 2 separate policies.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried insuring my bike for courier use with another insurer. They said "insuring the vehicle with us will cancel previous insurance automatically"
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: Insurance - letting your friend ride your bike Reply with quote

As above, you can have a bike insured as many times as you need.

Trying to make claims on more than one policy is obviously going to get you in to trouble.
Some (don't know about bikes) insurance also says 'if no other insurance covers you' - for TPO that's not going to be an issue, but for theft say, it's possible there could be a slight argument - but it'd just be over who paid out, not if you get paid.

So, yes, they did do you over.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

what a joke - having called around so far, most insurers won't even let you insure someone for a day or a weekend.

Then some that do won't accept US licences (well they only accept UK and EU licences).

And then those who "might" accept US licences slap a £30 admin charge straight away.

Maybe I should start an insurance business for day / weekend use riders!

Underwriters can't have major issues with this since they already insure bike rental businesses (who accept all kinds of people from everywhere). So possibly it's just a case of insurance companies not having to bother - if no company offers it, then why should any one of them?
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe I should start an insurance business for day / weekend use riders!

www.dayinsure.com but they say "Can I buy cover if I am not a UK resident? Yes. But this excludes our Motorbike cover. See Terms for further information."

There are other places that do daily insurance so have a look at their T&C to see if any are suitable.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe I should start an insurance business for day / weekend use riders!

www.dayinsure.com but they say "Can I buy cover if I am not a UK resident? Yes. But this excludes our Motorbike cover. See Terms for further information."

There are other places that do daily insurance so have a look at their T&C to see if any are suitable.


And they don't cover US licences..
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

kbot wrote:
Underwriters can't have major issues with this since they already insure bike rental businesses (who accept all kinds of people from everywhere). So possibly it's just a case of insurance companies not having to bother - if no company offers it, then why should any one of them?


Rental is a totally diffrent game though.... I would guess that its nothing like your std policy, and maynot even be offered by the same companies. Remember rental often comes with massive waivers....
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
kbot wrote:
Underwriters can't have major issues with this since they already insure bike rental businesses (who accept all kinds of people from everywhere). So possibly it's just a case of insurance companies not having to bother - if no company offers it, then why should any one of them?


Rental is a totally diffrent game though.... I would guess that its nothing like your std policy, and maynot even be offered by the same companies. Remember rental often comes with massive waivers....


(for some reason my quoting doesn't work very well)

Well I've given up - there are quite a lot of 1 day insurance but they ALL only cover either just UK, or UK/EU and one covers Aus/NZ licences.

I agree rental is a totally different game. All insurance businesses are underwritten by companies - of which there are only a handful (well much less than number of insurance businesses anyway). The fact that they are willing to cover a wider range means that it is not an undeterminable / unquantifiable risk. All I want is the compulsory 3rd party - couldn't care less about anything else. Quite surprised at how inflexible things are. I can only imagine a lot of people out there will just allow their bike to be ridden without insurance, which isn't in anybody's interest. But yet another example of how it's just much easier to break the law than it is to comply with it. And for situations like this (ie good public policy reasons to cover such situations), I must admit I'm quite surprised there is a gap in the insurance coverage.
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

kbot wrote:
what a joke - having called around so far, most insurers won't even let you insure someone for a day or a weekend.

Then some that do won't accept US licences


Not suprising really when you consider the totally ludicrous standard of the US motorcycle test.

Check it oot.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 29 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I took out a colleagues ZX9r one lunch time, I was fully insured 3rd party. I managed the straights, the twisties, the high speed turns, the bends where your pegs go down. What I didn't manage was manoeuvring out of my cul de sac at 1mph. Cue me set off, fall. One busted fearing.

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