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pinkyfloyd
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 02 Aug 2010    Post subject: security for bikes Reply with quote
i got a choice here and i'm lookin for info.

alphadot which is cheaper

datatag which is more expensive

both seem to offer the same deal so my question is

what does bcf recomend?
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 02 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
An Almax or Pragmasis Chain if you don't already have one.

Trying to stop it getting nicked in the first place is better than trying to recover it once it's gone.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 02 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
i got a heavy duty disk lock on the front and a 10mm tempered steel chain for the back wheel so the prevention is there. but as has been discovered a few times, sometimes its just not enough.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 02 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
0ddball wrote:


Trying to stop it getting nicked in the first place is better than trying to recover it once it's gone.


I'm sure the tagging process adds a lot of security to the bike as it puts off professional thieves who want it for bits.
If its marked, its harder to brake for parts, therefore they will go to the next one that is easier to make money from.

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I had DataTag on my old hornet. But not bothered on the new one. Might get a sticker and pretend i've got it. That will fool them Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 02 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
pinkyfloyd wrote:
i got a heavy duty disk lock on the front and a 10mm tempered steel chain for the back wheel so the prevention is there. but as has been discovered a few times, sometimes its just not enough.


10mm is bugger all. I'd fancy my chances with a nail file on a 10mm, thats pushbike security.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 02 Aug 2010    Post subject: Re: security for bikes Reply with quote
pinkyfloyd wrote:
i got a choice here and i'm lookin for info.

alphadot which is cheaper

datatag which is more expensive

both seem to offer the same deal so my question is

what does bcf recomend?


Neither. Almax and an alarmed disc lock if you don't have an alarm on the bike already. I've not heard of anyone getting their bike back from DataTag or AlphaDot equipment being installed. Pointless as fuck, the bike will be in pieces before it's found anyway, and then what are you going to do?
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 02 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
A spark plug bush brazed into the bottom of your fuel tank and a sparkplug sealed with plumbers tape, switch over a plug cap after using your bike and post a notice telling thieves that they will require dental records to identify their mortal remains if they touch your bike, dont forget to switch the plug cap back before using the bike.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 02 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
A really big chain.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 02 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Almax Series III + Squire padlock + steel utility poll.

My Aprilia RS125 (almost a leader in statistics of stolen bikes) was left in public car parks almost every day. Never stolen from me. Lots of bikes disappeared from the same car park.

It's the best stuff you can get.. other bits like disc locks or alarms are just extras.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 02 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
An Almax chain with a Squire lock, chained to a huge metal cabinet inside a brick built garage with a double locked metal door... oh and a heavy duty Kryptonite disk lock and two hyperactive dogs to deal with.

Good luck to anyone who gets past that lot Thumbs Up Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 02 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rapdude wrote:
0ddball wrote:
An Almax or Pragmasis Chain if you don't already have one.

Trying to stop it getting nicked in the first place is better than trying to recover it once it's gone.


I was lead to beleive that pregnas chains are made in china ... Shocked Confused


Quite possibly. No personal experience, it's just the usual alternative quoted. Don't really care though, i have an Almax Razz
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PostPosted: 01:04 - 03 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
ApriliaNutter wrote:
Almax Series III + Squire padlock ...
It's the best stuff you can get.. other bits like disc locks or alarms are just extras.


This.

This is painfully apparent to many and bandied around a lot (apologies to people saying "duh" as they read this) - but (if allowed to overgeneralise for simplicity) there are 2 kinds of thieves:
1) Joyriders / bored chavs. We've all seen the type hanging around in towns looking obviously dodgy - "ooh it's shiny i fancy ragging that round a field until it dies or i crack my head open".
(Again generally speaking) these are screwdriver-in-the-ignition barrel jobbies, kick/twist the front end until the (so pathetic they should be illegal for encouraging theft) steering lock gives, and then ride it off without a helmet, laughing and thinking they're 'ard.
Easy to stop (unless you're unlucky and they happen to have knicked some bolt croppers and worked out how to use them). A lock (which if observed they won't touch it - won't stop them trying to sit/pose/take pics on it though, and potentially knocking it over). An alarm and/or immobiliser system (may touch it if they don't realise, may even knock it over when they run off after setting the alarm off, or finding out the screwdriver ain't working on the immobiliser, but at least the bike'll still be there, if possibly damaged). Anything really (bar tagging on its own - they probably won't give a stuff about the bike being tagged if they plan to rip around with the ignition so obviously gouged).
2) "Professional" thieves. People (2 or 3 so they can lift the bike) that rock up in a van. Bike usually gone in 20 seconds or less, especially if not chained to something. The better thieves having a good selection of tools and/or casing the joint before they make a theft. Alarmed? They'll break the seat lock and quickly unplug the system to work in peace. Or maybe not even bother and just lift it quickly! Disc lock? Ignored, they'll just lift the bike. Good chain securing the bike through a wheel? They'll unbolt that wheel and leave that behind. Tagging? They can try to remove all the tags they can find later (obviously this increases risk for them if they're shopped, but if that bike's worth £10K...)
Steal to order, ship it abroad, break the bike down into parts (which people seem only too happy to buy *sigh* ), and sell those on etc etc (all that stuff). These are the ones people say you can't stop. Any half decent bike thief knows a pair of bolt croppers will take out almost the entireity of the motorcycle chains people use (not to say that bigger/thicker but croppable chains are useless, because if they know it takes a few minutes they'll be put off more than if you were using a standard butter chain - and don't forget it will help vs chav boy above).

A cover/garage is probably an excellent start with either group, because neither really wants to draw attention to themselves for something they don't even know if they're interested in!
The Almax through the frame, to an immovable object - is probably the single best deterrant (no, not through the front wheel, and no, not to a wooden fence Rolling Eyes ) - it makes even a professional theft into a difficult job that's going to require some planning. And time is money, especially when there are still plenty of people leaving their bikes out unlocked or poorly secured.
A lot of people write off alarms, and yes i can see why, anyone that isn't your mate generally ignores them entirely (and remember, 80% of bike thefts are from the home - so if the alarm goes off from your bike just outside your house in the middle of the night and you're at home... Alarm may have paid for itself many times over, providing you can run quickly enough Wink ). So don't underestimate the value of being able to hear it yourself - and in the end it does prevent kids climbing on the bike in town and yobbos posing on it - even if you can't hear it. I'd also like to think it reduces the chance of someone messing with the bike or otherwise vandalising it. Remember how painfully easy they can be to disable though (Note: I see this as a necessary evil - i detest any system - especially these more expensive ones - that can't be easily unplugged (especially annoying seeing as thieves don't seem to have such a problem!), because those are the systems that can leave you stranded, which helps no one).
Tags are nice to have to help make professionals go away - but at the same time, a poorly secured bike is too easy to knick for the tagging to be cared about.

Regarding tagging (maybe i should actually answer the OP, i do ramble somewhat Embarassed ) - i'd have AlphaDot, because at the end of the day it costs less, and does the same job - tells thieves that this bike is going to take an extra amount of time to become breakable/sellable.

Someone tell me if i've missed something. Reading over that essay, i'm doubting i have Wink
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angryjonny
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 03 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alphadot and Datatag are the bike equivalent of a sign saying "no tools left in this van overnight".

They're no form of security in their own right, and meaningless if someone does decide to make off with your machine. But used in conjunction with decent security measures they're a deterrant.

As far as I'm concerned, anything that makes my bike less attractive to a thief than the bike it's parked next to is worth doing. I have Alphadot for this reason.
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