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PostPosted: 16:18 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: rxs100 or cg125 or er5/cb5 Reply with quote

looking AT a cheap as fuck to run hack for comuting rather than the hornet . as the hornet as expensive tyres on etc and shit on fuel.

so was thinking maby a rxs100 / other 100cc 2 smoke . or a cg125 or some 500cc comuter / learner also was looking at xr250's


whats every ones views on somethign thats
A) cheap to Run
B) cheap to maintain / need the least maintanance
c) cheap to buy
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

well either the ER5 or the GS500 is a dirt cheap commuter. There's a GS500 for £500 in good nick on autotrader at the current moment in time!
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've owned all four.

Probably the best bike all round from a riding point of view is the CB500. Great bike really, but it's not easy to find good ones at a reasonable price. They are also very popular with couriers, so you tend to find really high mileage ones tarted up and sold off, full of expensive nasties just waiting to happen.

ER5 is an excellent, solid, extremely reliable all rounder that would be comfortable touring as well as commuting. Nothing really to say against it, except that it is much more expensive to run than a tiddler, despite being relatively cheap against something sporty.

CG125 - slow, uninspiring, phenomenally good on petrol, dogged, tough, and in the newer versions quite nice to look at. Has the advantage of there being ready availability of spares. Down side is that it's a Honda, so genuine bits will be ludicrously expensive, if you ever need them. Also seem popular with tea leaves.

RXS100 is, IMHO, the best mixture of hilarious cheapness, reasonable performance, extreme simplicity and virtually indestructible reliability so long as you don't do anything silly (run it dry of oil etc). Down side is the lack of brakes (you can adapt - I have lol) and pretty shite electrics. Spares are still readily available. Can pick up a decent RXS for around 300 notes, often less.

One other bike I'd be inclined to look at is the GPz500. I guess it depends what level of performance you can live with. If you can put up with the lack of speed/power, the RXS is head and shoulders above everything else in terms of cheapness and reliability, and requires almost no significant maintenance the vast majority of the time.
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PostPosted: 16:41 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got to be vote for the GPZ500 / ER5 from me.

Bought for less than £500, economical on the go-go juice, cheap to run, cheap on insurance, helped to build up my no claims...
Great fun to ride and to build up my experience, plus I learned a fair bit about maintenance, modifying, and general upkeep. Thumbs Up Wink
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CG125 is cheap as anything, amazing on fuel, comfy but really slow.

+1 for the GPZ though, bought mine for £300 with a carb problem that took a day to fix...

Not used it properly yet so i can't comment on fuel economy but it's certainly powerful enough to keep up with the rest of the traffic Laughing Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 18:07 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
...RXS is head and shoulders above everything else in terms of cheapness and reliability, and requires almost no significant maintenance the vast majority of the time.


Bollocks.

Don't get an RXS, they're shite.

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PostPosted: 18:16 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
27cows wrote:
...RXS is head and shoulders above everything else in terms of cheapness and reliability, and requires almost no significant maintenance the vast majority of the time.


Bollocks.

Don't get an RXS, they're shite.

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Have you owned one for 20 years? No. I might not be qualified to talk about much but the RXS is one thing I do know about Middle Finger Wink

ER5 and GPz are better...but also considerably more expensive to run and require a lot more maintenance. OP wanted dirt cheap, remember.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont need fast etc its 16 miles each way ... so yeah cheaper fuel and tyres etc. dont want to be putting expensive rubber on a work mule
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CG125 is better than the RXS.

Full stop.

it's newer and I wonder why near enough every bike school uses them Wink

If you want cheap, buy a CG.

Got mine for £400, got an MT65 rear for £15 fitted, oil change every 6 months (with a litre of oil).

Do that and itll run forever.
16 miles will cost 87p on the CG if you wring it's neck (i never got less than 100mpg on mine...) so if it's cheap you want...

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PostPosted: 18:33 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
Have you owned one for 20 years? No. I might not be qualified to talk about much but the RXS is one thing I do know about Middle Finger Wink


No, I didn't own one for 20 years because it was shit.

OP wanted dirt cheap, it'll be cheaper in the long run to buy a decent ER5 than a clapped out RXS.
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My RXS was half clapped out in 1990...and it's still half clapped out. Despite that I get 80-90mpg. 2T oil @ £1.99 for 600ml from Wilko. Tyres for about £15 a time. Under £6 for a battery. 650ml of 10w40 for the gearbox every leap year (or so lol).

The RXS is tougher than the CG, despite being a stroker. Despite lavish claims of very high mileage, CG125s rarely go past 75,000 miles, and frequently are buggered long before that in learner hands. Just read the catalogue of problems CG owners on here have had.

Trust me, if the CG was a better bike than the RXS, I'd have one. Economy and reliability are my main aims in my day to day commuter. Nothing is cheaper than the RXS to run, in combination was fearsome toughness, Swiss watch-like reliability and the ability to rip through rush hour traffic faster than just about anything else.

My current motor has just passed 103,000 miles on all original components. About 70% of the bike has done 360,000 miles - the old RXS is tough.
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry but i know what i'd prefer out of these two.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/YAMAHA-RXS100-/110568411280?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item19be641090

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1977-HONDA-CG125-/170519997838?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item27b3c8ad8e

I don't know how you can say that an old 2t 100 can be more reliable than a 4t 125.

And the reason there's more reported prolems with the CG than there is with the RXS is that the majority of learner riders have CGs, compared to the low number of RXS100s going around.

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PostPosted: 19:08 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

a nother bike i have looked at a xj600??? or are these shite?
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can say it because I've done nearly 350,000 miles on one. There's no way I'd have something anything other than extremely tough and reliable for daily commuting duties. The CG I had was frequently troublesome. The RXS almost never gives me bother, even now.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

in all honesty id probaly take a rxs over a cg if they where simular priced. my mate did 25k on his with no issues. and the older cg's better than new ones? cos the oen i did my cbt on felt faking horrid and didnt accelereate just vibrated . i know im after cheap but cg's seem to i dunno be expensie?
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Dunkable wrote:
Sorry but i know what i'd prefer out of these two.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/YAMAHA-RXS100-/110568411280?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item19be641090

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1977-HONDA-CG125-/170519997838?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item27b3c8ad8e

I don't know how you can say that an old 2t 100 can be more reliable than a 4t 125.

And the reason there's more reported prolems with the CG than there is with the RXS is that the majority of learner riders have CGs, compared to the low number of RXS100s going around.

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Peoples experiences will vary HUGELY with different bikes, its almost pointless to compare with things like reliability, you can get extremely unreliable CGs and other 4t machines, and you can also get extremely reliable 2t machines if you set them up right and maintain them. It depends on the circumstances, lots of people do say that 2ts are less reliable but thats because it takes a little bit more to maintain them so they are often neglected as im sure you know but if you do some work an RXS could well be as reliable as a half decent CG.

Also, I think the reason all learners and schools use CGs rather than RXSs and similr is that the test now requires 125cc, you cant do it on a 100 even if the 100 is more powerful and capable of a higher top speed than a cg, just the rules, so people are more inclined to buy something they can actually take the test on, consequently 100s have fallen significantly out of favour.

Loads of people swear by things like RS RX and RXS 100s so if you're choosing, find whats available, go and look at them and then choose the one that you like best/think is in better nick/would rather put time and money into to make good.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
I can say it because I've done nearly 350,000 miles on one. There's no way I'd have something anything other than extremely tough and reliable for daily commuting duties. The CG I had was frequently troublesome. The RXS almost never gives me bother, even now.


Remember when you say you've done 350,000 miles that it's not on the same engine.

XJ600 is a great bike, but not cheap. It'd be better as an all rounder, as your only bike. If you're wanting a cheap commuter, i say get a CG125. OR if you feel like splashing out a bit, an XR125 would be a good shot, as it's bigger framed and would be easier to filter on.

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Also, I think the reason all learners and schools use CGs rather than RXSs and similr is that the test now requires 125cc, you cant do it on a 100 even if the 100 is more powerful and capable of a higher top speed than a cg, just the rules, so people are more inclined to buy something they can actually take the test on, consequently 100s have fallen significantly out of favour.

i forgot about that Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

its to save my hornet.

as im sure squaring of £200 of tyres isnt fun . and 40mpg . and the fear of droping it in the ice etc.

oh and if i gte a 2t it can sit next to my rd350 Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Dunkable wrote:
27cows wrote:
I can say it because I've done nearly 350,000 miles on one. There's no way I'd have something anything other than extremely tough and reliable for daily commuting duties. The CG I had was frequently troublesome. The RXS almost never gives me bother, even now.


Remember when you say you've done 350,000 miles that it's not on the same engine.

XJ600 is a great bike, but not cheap. It'd be better as an all rounder, as your only bike. If you're wanting a cheap commuter, i say get a CG125. OR if you feel like splashing out a bit, an XR125 would be a good shot, as it's bigger framed and would be easier to filter on.

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Also, I think the reason all learners and schools use CGs rather than RXSs and similr is that the test now requires 125cc, you cant do it on a 100 even if the 100 is more powerful and capable of a higher top speed than a cg, just the rules, so people are more inclined to buy something they can actually take the test on, consequently 100s have fallen significantly out of favour.

i forgot about that Laughing


What does that matter? 350,000 miles is a lot to cover on one model of bike, even if you had half a dozen - you couldn't possibly cover that kind of distance without considerable reliability. I have no patience with crap bikes (probably why I've had so many over the years lol).

The newer XJ600 is decent. The old ones used to have chronic wheel bearing problems. Ideal first bigger bike if you want to do a bit of touring, not really ideally suited to the daily grind.

For every day, all weather cheapo commuting, you need simplicity (air cooled 2 stroke single is perfect), the ability to do virtually no maintenance and a toughness that can withstand constant battering over potholes. The CG is a decent bike but relatively fragile compared to the RXS.

If you prefer a 4T, go the GS125/EN125 route. Vastly superior bike to the CG in every way.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows wrote:
For every day, all weather cheapo commuting, you need simplicity (air cooled 2 stroke single is perfect), the ability to do virtually no maintenance and a toughness that can withstand constant battering over potholes. The CG is a decent bike but relatively fragile compared to the RXS.

If you prefer a 4T, go the GS125/EN125 route. Vastly superior bike to the CG in every way.


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PostPosted: 19:40 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welshd1k wrote:
its to save my hornet.

as im sure squaring of £200 of tyres isnt fun . and 40mpg . and the fear of droping it in the ice etc.

oh and if i gte a 2t it can sit next to my rd350 Mr. Green


RXS is a relative of the RD350. Well, they're both Yams and both have Energy Induction...lol
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm tempted to get myself an rsx now Laughing

Almost exactly the same situation as the o.p. and also been thinking about a cheap commuter.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MZ250 - cheap, interesting, solid build quality. You can get a usable one for a few hundred quid and they're a hoot ro ride.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 06 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to see people are warming to the RXS. They are brilliant commuter bikes, and also superb to learn on.

Love the MZs. But spares are really hard to get these days. Motors also pretty difficult to work on. But they are fantastic bikes, tough as old boots and the build quality is outstanding compared to old shite like the Superdreams and GSX250.
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