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lllN30lll
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 07 Aug 2010    Post subject: Ghostrider guilty of stealing a set of BST Carbon Wheels. Reply with quote
I was just browsing around for a set of carbon wheels and visited BST's website, took a look at the Name and Shame section and noticed a very familiar name :lmfao:

https://www.blackstonetek.com/pages/NameandShame.php
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 07 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
ooooo i new you'd get carbon wheels Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's a twattish page to have on your website.

All it does is prove that you've made some poor business decisions in the past - like giving 20 wheels on tick to a company, and complaining when you don't get paid.

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PostPosted: 09:38 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Always thought 'Ghostrider' was a fucking stupid/hilarious name. Does he shag spirits, as well as ride a bike like a 17 year old retard?
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
In business, it's normal to deliver a product, send an invoice and get paid for it afterwards. I think that naming and shaming itself isn't such a bad thing - only problem I see is it presents a totally one-sided view. Who is to say that each of the people listed didn't have a valid reason for refusing to pay?
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
It just looks like the company is incompetent. Not only do they let untrustworthy people have wheels before paying for them, it looks like they can't chase up debts using ordinary legal channels.

It would seriously put me off buying anything from them.
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:
it looks like they can't chase up debts using ordinary legal channels.

Erm, not sure what legal channels there are for chasing up relatively small debts from companies in different countries?
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:
MarJay wrote:
it looks like they can't chase up debts using ordinary legal channels.

Erm, not sure what legal channels there are for chasing up relatively small debts from companies in different countries?

I wouldn't say £2600 is small Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
lllN30lll wrote:
I wouldn't say £2600 is small Laughing

I would when you compare it to the sort of charges you might be able to actually have a hope of recovering cross-borders - ie in the multi millions and above!
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
lllN30lll wrote:

I wouldn't say £2600 is small Laughing


For £2600 I'd fly to Stockholm and pay him a visit in person!!
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
MarJay wrote:


It would seriously put me off buying anything from them.


But you could get some free wheels! Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
rac3r wrote:
MarJay wrote:


It would seriously put me off buying anything from them.


But you could get some free wheels! Laughing


You'll go far, kid. Laughing Wink Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is frankly a bit dumb.

I'd call that an incompetent business.

Fair enough supplying services with intention to invoice later, but most large companies require the first order or two before they will deliver products without payment, and those that don't usually use a credit check.

I don't know of anybody who'd be stupid enough to send goods worth thousands of pounds to a foreign country before the recipient has paid?

You've just gotta laugh. I might ask them to send some to me free of charge, too...
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
loply wrote:
This is frankly a bit dumb.

I'd call that an incompetent business.

Fair enough supplying services with intention to invoice later, but most large companies require the first order or two before they will deliver products without payment, and those that don't usually use a credit check.

I don't know of anybody who'd be stupid enough to send goods worth thousands of pounds to a foreign country before the recipient has paid?

You've just gotta laugh. I might ask them to send some to me free of charge, too...



Agreed. I work in the manufacturing industry, and although my company doesn't sell directly to the consumer, it has a system whereby it asks for a part payment as a deposit, and then it has another payment stage upon delivery. Being that GhostRider appears to run a business, it would be normal to do a similar thing. The initial payment forms part of a contract which then requires the final payment on delivery. Being that they have solicitors in Sweden, I guess the next stage would be to write a solicitors letter to Ghostrider. From there you can proceed to litigation etc if required.

There are mechanisms in place for this kind of thing which don't involve naming and shaming multiple people on a website.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
I work in an opticians and we have 30 day credit. It's often the case in business to my knowledge once you set up an account
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
MinhDinh wrote:
I work in an opticians and we have 30 day credit. It's often the case in business to my knowledge once you set up an account

Yea, from my experience of largish business, it is VERY common for items to be delivered and only invoiced once delivered - in some cases only when the customer is happy with the item is delivered.
This is pretty standard for 'big business', maybe they were trying to look like a bigger company than they were/are.
To be fair, it is likely that credit checks etc are more likely to be questioned and pro-forma invoices may be requested for foreign companies.
I didn't think there are many mechanisms in place for resolving debts cross-frontiers?
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 08 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:
MinhDinh wrote:
I work in an opticians and we have 30 day credit. It's often the case in business to my knowledge once you set up an account

Yea, from my experience of largish business, it is VERY common for items to be delivered and only invoiced once delivered - in some cases only when the customer is happy with the item is delivered.


Only after the customer has passed the required vetting procedures and credit checks.

G wrote:
This is pretty standard for 'big business', maybe they were trying to look like a bigger company than they were/are.


See above.

G wrote:
To be fair, it is likely that credit checks etc are more likely to be questioned and pro-forma invoices may be requested for foreign companies.


Even 'big business' doesn't do this sort of shit, unless they are daft. The Ghostrider one I can understand - I bet they thought they would get some promotional exposure, and then had a falling out etc etc, one set of wheels is not so bad.

It was the other company, where they had sold many sets without receiving payment, that makes them look like dumbos. Sell one set, on tick, don't get paid, don't send any more. Simples. Probably some dipshit sales guy trying to earn his commission doing stupid deals.

G wrote:
I didn't think there are many mechanisms in place for resolving debts cross-frontiers?


Easy, engage a set of local solicitors to chase the debt. Should really be no more difficult than the UK, there's probably even more paperwork to trace the transaction due to the export/import factor.
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