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boundy
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 25 Jul 2010    Post subject: cheap lids Reply with quote

Why do so many people slate other for buying cheap lids?

I've got a Lazer LZ6, that can be picked up for less than £50. It fits well, has lasted well over the last 3 years and gets a good score on the sharp test.

So why do people bang on about how they wouldn't risk there head in £50 lid?
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 25 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i tried a mates "redzed" helmet.
In medium it fit perfectly, so much more comfy than my old AGV.

The helmet itself cost £10...the tinted visor cost £15 Laughing

Its comfy, quiet, breathes real easy AND is replaceable very cheaply in a accident.

Like loads of people say on here, its still made to a standard, the rest is a name and comfort, and if it fits well at £20 its better than nearly fits at £200


EDIT : Also...its a matte red... easy to abuse with crayons.. thanks childish bikers at McDonalds Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:45 - 25 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Each to their own. I want a lid that fits well, has a good comfortable liner, has functioning air vents that I can use with my gloves, I like a decent visor mechanism, I like pinlock, I like an aerodynamic lid that is reasonably quiet and light, I like a lid that looks nice and has some kind of pedigree. Lastly I like my lid tomcome from a reputable company that invests in research and Ive used in accidents and trust.

If theres a helmet out there for a tenner that will do that then good luck, but otherwise Im happy investing a few hundred quid for the most important part of my gear Wink
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 25 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an arai chaser that cost me £360 and a HJC FG15 that cost me £100, both came with a spare dark visor

I crashed on track and hit my head, hence replacing the arai, being a student at the moment i couldnt afford to spunk £300+ on a lid.

I see no reason to think the HJC will protect me any less than the arai, money gets you comfort, weight saving (lighter materials), features and ventilation etc

i think as long as you use a reputable brand and most importantly a lid that fits well you should be ok
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 25 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villers wrote:
Each to their own. I want a lid that fits well, has a good comfortable liner, has functioning air vents that I can use with my gloves, I like a decent visor mechanism, I like pinlock, I like an aerodynamic lid that is reasonably quiet and light, I like a lid that looks nice and has some kind of pedigree. Lastly I like my lid tomcome from a reputable company that invests in research and Ive used in accidents and trust.

If theres a helmet out there for a tenner that will do that then good luck, but otherwise Im happy investing a few hundred quid for the most important part of my gear Wink


True, but after going through 9 helmets in 8 crashes... i dont think im going to spend out big money on them Laughing
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PostPosted: 04:34 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to wear a cheapish helmet, but after I got knocked off last year and damaged my neck I now have to wear a lighter helmet so as to reduce strain and pain. I bought a £150 lid last year (Shark) but am now wearing a Scorpion (£200+) which is by far the most comfortable lid I have worn for many years and has many extra features such as internal sun visor, a locking mechanism that holds visor open a fraction even at speed and plenty of vents.
Must admit I would not buy a cheapish helmet again, but only due to the weight of them. My daughter wears a cheapish lid that fits her well and she is more than happy with it.
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PostPosted: 06:30 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any helmet for 50 or 500 quid should keep your head fairly safe. They all need to be ECE approved and that's what they are tested for.

More money spent on helmet usually means:
- more comfort / better fit
- more extras
- less noise
- better ventilation
- better look
- less weight
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PostPosted: 07:33 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villers wrote:
Each to their own. I want a lid that fits well, has a good comfortable liner, has functioning air vents that I can use with my gloves, I like a decent visor mechanism, I like pinlock, I like an aerodynamic lid that is reasonably quiet and light, I like a lid that looks nice and has some kind of pedigree. Lastly I like my lid tomcome from a reputable company that invests in research and Ive used in accidents and trust.

If theres a helmet out there for a tenner that will do that then good luck, but otherwise Im happy investing a few hundred quid for the most important part of my gear Wink
lazer are part of agv, it even uses an agv visor, so im more than happy with my budget lid. It was more than likley a 200 quid+ helmet a few years ago, branded as an agv, now sold with cheaper linnings under a differant brand
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PostPosted: 07:38 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: cheap lids Reply with quote

boundy wrote:
Why do so many people slate other for buying cheap lids?


Brand junkies Laughing

As well as too many people are worried what others will say/think...

Main thing that counts is fit. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: cheap lids Reply with quote

boundy wrote:
Why do so many people slate other for buying cheap lids?

I've got a Lazer LZ6, that can be picked up for less than £50. It fits well, has lasted well over the last 3 years and gets a good score on the sharp test.

So why do people bang on about how they wouldn't risk there head in £50 lid?


I dont think there is anything wrong with buying a cheap lid, as long as your happy with it. My first lid was free from work (probably cost about £30) my second lid was a nitro i think (about £50) and now im on my second arai (£200 a few years ago).

I now personally wouldn't buy any other helmet other than an arai due to the comfort and finish. I'm currently on my second arai condor in the last few years and i can tell you this...there is no way i'd buy anything less than the condor now. Anything cheaper feels like putting a rough bit of polystyrene on my head. A cheaper lid might be just as safe when it smacks against the road, but when im riding i do not want anything that will distract me due to discomfort.

As for tart factor, additional features and more comfort, im all up for that! I'm actually tempted for the first time in my life to blow £500+ on a brand new arai gp rx7 because im finally in the position to afford one.

Its all about what your comfortable with and what your budget is.

Just to go back to the safety point (shart ratings, standards etc), a friend used to say to me "...whats the point spending £500 on a helmet? When you come off at 70mph and wrap your body round a lampost your head might be alright but it probably wont be attached to your body!" - fair point i always thought...
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive got an AGV kinetic with ACU gold award sticker on the back (well whoppe do!) and i also have a Grivit helmet that i bought from Lidl`s,.... (love it Smile a bargain Smile )

i am confident that both those helmets will look after my head in the event of me coming off my bike.
In this country, helmets must meet a certain standard before they can be sold to the general public.
Is it not the law in this country that you MUST wear a helmet when out on the road, on a bike?
those helmets must pass british standard kitemart criteria and standards or they cannot be sold as crash-helmets for road-going bikes?
that is why i am confident of my helmets.

if someone takes the piss out of me for wearing a "Grivit" crash-helmet, i have a reply = "f*ck off you c*nt!"...... works for me Smile .

if people want to spend 4 to 5 hundred pounds on a bash-hat, then thats fine and good for them Thumbs Up .
if i was a bit more financially sound, i might spend that much on a bash-hat as well Smile .
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
after going through 9 helmets in 8 crashes...



How'd you do that? Did you damage two helmets in one crash? Did you swap them mid air? Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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##Paddy## wrote:
after going through 9 helmets in 8 crashes...



How'd you do that? Did you damage two helmets in one crash? Did you swap them mid air? Laughing


Its not the helmet thats the problem, its the grey matter inside that appers to be the issue here....
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been more than happy with Lazer in the past, and only switched to Caberg for the sun visor. I gave an old Lazer of mine to a mate who came off a few weeks later and slid down the road on his face - the helmet did a bloody good job of protecting him so wouldn't hesitate recommending them.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:


Its not the helmet thats the problem, its the grey matter inside that appers to be the issue here....



The padding?
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

Its not the helmet thats the problem, its the grey matter inside that appers to be the issue here....


Im not going to start an argument, but I get that quote all the time... im sorry I have 8 non fault accidents all the result of split second cars pulling out/cutting into lane and clipping rear wheel.

So no, its not a lack of my ability...its a lack of plain sight for the knobs that introduce my bike to the tarmac.

But I can understand what you are saying...everyone thinks that Rolling Eyes

Also 9 helmets 8 crashes, just had pillion, attached helmet to rack..so was damaged on impact, looked good on an insurers report..2 helmets Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My many Times must we go through this,

Saftey is not the only thing of consider when buying a lid,


Take your Lazer Lid, a Volvo of Lids if you will.
And Take my Arai RX7, say a Merc SL.

The are probably about as safe as each other but mine looks better weights less has a nicer lining better vents better build quality better visor better most things in Fact.

That is why it cost £380-

I ride alot on Average 1.5 hours a day every day I reckon. If I am going to have something that close to my head for that amount of time I'm going to want it to have a nice liner and good vents to be quiet and light. I have had my lid nearly 2 years and I have probably covered 28k miles in it. So for every 1000 miles I have covered my lid cost me £13, Big Woop.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
My many Times must we go through this,

Saftey is not the only thing of consider when buying a lid,


Take your Lazer Lid, a Volvo of Lids if you will.
And Take my Arai RX7, say a Merc SL.

The are probably about as safe as each other but mine looks better weights less has a nicer lining better vents better build quality better visor better most things in Fact.

That is why it cost £380-

I ride alot on Average 1.5 hours a day every day I reckon. If I am going to have something that close to my head for that amount of time I'm going to want it to have a nice liner and good vents to be quiet and light. I have had my lid nearly 2 years and I have probably covered 28k miles in it. So for every 1000 miles I have covered my lid cost me £13, Big Woop.


Good way of valuing a helmet, cheers, I must remember that. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
My many Times must we go through this,

Saftey is not the only thing of consider when buying a lid,


but the OP asked
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why do people bang on about how they wouldn't risk there head in £50 lid?


So the topic was "risk" not "justify spending a lot of money on a lid".
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 26 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: cheap lids Reply with quote

boundy wrote:
Why do so many people slate other for buying cheap lids?


It was 15 years ago... Helloooo! 2010...
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 27 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: cheap lids Reply with quote

boundy wrote:

So why do people bang on about how they wouldn't risk there head in £50 lid?


Because the perception is that buy putting your head in a £50 lid you're saying your head is only worth 50 pounds.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 27 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: cheap lids Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
boundy wrote:

So why do people bang on about how they wouldn't risk there head in £50 lid?


Because the perception is that buy putting your head in a £50 lid you're saying your head is only worth 50 pounds.


i guess its brand awareness aswel. i know people that wont wear primark jeans. why not? jeans are jeans?

people go on about the weight, style, fit, blah blah blah.

as has been said before, it doesnt matter what lid you chose to wear, they have all met the same stringent testing laws that the uk have for lids, or they wouldnt be for sale in the uk market.

if you have 500 quid to spend on a new lid then by all means go for it. it wont stop your brains dribbling out of your ears any more than my 90 quid lid will do. end of the day the medics who have to staple your brain back into place arent going to say "ooh look, his 500 quid lid looked really comfy, better than the cheap shit we've seen"

the lid i wear is a duchinni mat black thing and it cost 90quid. i only bought that one because it fit well enough and i liked the look of it. my first choice was a 60 quid mat black one and the only reason i didnt buy that was simply because they didnt have my size.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 27 Jul 2010    Post subject: Re: cheap lids Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:

i guess its brand awareness aswel. i know people that wont wear primark jeans. why not? jeans are jeans?

people go on about the weight, style, fit, blah blah blah.

as has been said before, it doesnt matter what lid you chose to wear, they have all met the same stringent testing laws that the uk have for lids, or they wouldnt be for sale in the uk market.

if you have 500 quid to spend on a new lid then by all means go for it. it wont stop your brains dribbling out of your ears any more than my 90 quid lid will do. end of the day the medics who have to staple your brain back into place arent going to say "ooh look, his 500 quid lid looked really comfy, better than the cheap shit we've seen"

the lid i wear is a duchinni mat black thing and it cost 90quid. i only bought that one because it fit well enough and i liked the look of it. my first choice was a 60 quid mat black one and the only reason i didnt buy that was simply because they didnt have my size.


Thumbs Up I like this guy, I wear a cheap ass lid because it fit nice when I tried it...had there been the same AGV helmet i may have bought it, but there wasnt.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 27 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My take on lids is that for the times when a lid will save you a cheap one will, for the times a cheap lid won't save you - neither will a 500 quid Arai....

Obviously all the other extras are nice but plenty of people just don't have the cash to blow on snazzy gear.

Seems plenty of older people, my dad for instance, go out with random old helmets, jeans and a coat and think nothing of it. In summer my old man will happily ride around in cut-downs and a polo shirt all day long without a car in the world, he'd ride lidless if he could get away with it too....
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 27 Jul 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
my old man will happily ride around in cut-downs and a polo shirt all day long without a car in the world


If there weren't any cars I'd risk a cheap lid too... Wink
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