Supermoto's

[Scooby]

What other Supermoto's are there on the market apart from the Yamaha WR400, Suzuki DR-Z400 and the KTM and Husky range. I know Honda do an XT or something but are there any others?

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[WildGoose]

kwak KLR and KLX 650, ccm range...
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[Kris]

Yamaha's new XT600 range do a supermotard option - out this year. Then there's all the smaller companies that just sell barely road legal motards - can't remember any names in particular. i take it you've asked the motard group on visordown?
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[Evilbob]

VOR do one, basically every off road bike known to man has been supermotoed as some point. Cr250 - Cr500 and such like

they do a dt125 supermoto as well know i think
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[MarJay]

[Evilbob]

Most of the honda ones are XR's but if you want to convert one then the wheels second hand will still cost you about £350 which is a mighty lot and i would think are pretty stealable. i am looking at fitting rs125 of other small super bike type wheels instead of spoked ones as they are far more common but then you will have issues with the callipers and the sprocket on the back.
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[Sparks!]

Honda's CRM250/400 etc supermoto's VERYwell

also a suzuki DR350SE will supermoto well! especailly with nice graphics etc.

best all time tho, has to be the yamaha's WR250F etc!

CR500's look mighty fine though!
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[Kickstart]

Hi

How about a Gilera Nordwest. Just about the first factory supermoto. 3 spoke alloy wheels. Twin disks at the front each with 4 pot calipers.

https://www.psfisher.demon.co.uk/604.htm

All the best

Keith
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[G]

What sort of supermoto do you want?

The complete nutter types are usually based on fairly light 400s or 600s... generally I think the 'best' ones are done on the 400-450 4 strokes, with fairly decent tuning.

For cheap options, but still with serious fun potential 500cc 2 strokes can be picked up from a bit over £1k.
Expect regular rebuilds though for any kinda decent regular use.

I believe the 'factory' models tend to be a bit saner, but still high priced .

[Scooby]

[dindin]

well security first eh? if it inner nailed down good style then it`ll get nicked whatever really but a good disc lock works--dunner get any alarm as theyre not loud enough and when was the last time you went running to a screaming alarm?
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[Scooby]

I don't think you quite grasped the point mate. I am talking other forms of security as well you know, like datatagging and things like that, also if the wheels and stuff can be easily removed. I do know that any bike can be shoved into the back of a van within 30 seconds, but I also mean can the bike be started easily, is the ignition easy to bypass, etc.
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[WildGoose]

Loads of info here https://www.supermotech.co.uk/

was considering it myself a while back, for very similar reasons

still want one, but its the distance thing that they cant do, and 90 miles twice a week to portsmouth and back would not be too nice
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[G]

First thing... 4 strokes are expensive... so you'll be looking at, at the very the least £2.5k for an oldish, but still half decent one (ie not built from a smething heavy like a klr etc).
I'm not sure about sideways action on 2 strokes btw... becuase this is done by knocking down the gears, and too much engine breaking aint allways a good think on a 2 stroke .

Becasue they're 'naked' bikes they will require more cleaning throughout winter... a fairing at least means you've got big flat surfaces to clean rather than lots of niggly bits.

Don't expect much more than 80-90miles tank ranges AFAIK.

No reasons alarms can't be fitted, especially to the models that started off as road bikes.

For the longevity it's going to depends a lot on the bike and the state of tune generally as well as extra tuning done...
Ie get something like an old dr650 that's not been tuned much and it'll go on for ages... get a crf450 that's been tuned to buggery and it you won't be looking at many thousand miles without lots of work .

[Dr Nick]

i get about 50-55mpg from my 99 model wr.

[Danny]

This forum has a good section of Supermotard's:
https://www.disturbingthepeace.co.uk/html/forum.html

[Evilbob]

[G]

I've never been 100% sure on the techniques for rear wheel sliding.
You have to be very, very, very skilled to do it well with the rear brake AFAIK.

Plenty of people have said that racers only do it using engine braking, however I'm not sure how this works when you have a slipper clutch?

If you're using the rear brake, then without a thumb brake, it's going to be a bit of a problem on right hand corners on a supermoto. The fact that most UK tracks are clockwise tracks means that's even more of a problem.


It is defintely possibly to use engine braking on a 2 stroke... the kr1s has had the rear skipping about occasionally, even managed it on me old NSR with completly shagged tyres and a slippy road. HOwever I believe it's generally not advisable to for engine life considerations (no lubrication due to the closed throttle).

[welshy]

Tip : Rear wheel sliding.

Charge up to your favourite left hand bend (easier as you said due to the position of the rear brake)

Hard on the front brake, clutch in, throttle closed, little bit of back brake, change to gear for corner (best not to go down too many to start with...4th to 1st will result in you tasting tarmac unless your names Steele or VDB!) Best to try in the higher gears first. As you start to lean for the corner release the clutch and the engine breaking will cause the rear to step out. If the rear starts to chatter feather the clutch to smooth it out - Simple!!!

All this should be done in one fuid motion! Once you get used to it to increase the slide try more lean angle, applying little more rear brake, go down more gears (but not so your in wrong gear for corner!)

This isn't all just for show (honestly) the racer boys do it to square the corner off to get round quicker. It's awesome, they slide in, and slide out and it seems to be all in one motion, a continuous slide!
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[MarJay]

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Another useful post by me

[Ste]

I can do that, I just choose not to

[Sparks!]

You know your good when....
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[G]

Yea Marjay... always been pretty suspicious of the rear brake suggestions (which I heard a couple of moto GP comentators suggesting might be the technique they were using! )

Not sure if the slipper clutch would be of that much use if it still could slide... though there's going to be less traction at those angles so it is a possibility.

Was watching some supermoto or Men and Motors and they mentioned hearing his/other people's pegs go down... is quite impressive and you could see it in the slo-mo's they showed at the end!

[cagiva gezzer]

You can have my supercity125. Only needs ever-other bolt and component putting back together!

The DRZ 400 engines are robust and should last even longer than the very robust older DR350 if the general servicing is followed.

The DRZ and Wr are not in the same leauge performance wise. The DRZ is a trail bike and has a much softer engine compared to the WR. You only have to go to Supermoto races to notice that the DRZ chugs away from the line, while the WR storms away (usually on the one wheel) and stays near the front of the field.

There are two models of the DRZ, road and trail. Different heads, cams, carbs, electrics, tank and general road going extras.

Best to speak to people in the know. Decide on how fast you want to get to 100/110mph (max for most, apart from hausburg (sp) which can push 130) and chose your power and therefore engine size. Decide how much servicing you want and decide between 2t/4t and state of tune. Decide how civilised you want it to be and decide between trail bikes/MX/ Road going. Decide how much work you want to do to make it into a sm and decide between a factory one, off roader and pre converted off roader.


Wheels - general -
A)find someone in the know who can tell you what wheels can be interchanged between bikes and what spacers you need.

B) use OE hubs and lace them up to new rims.

C) Buy new hubs and rims (talon etc)

You will also be wanting a new disc and therefore a new caliper carrier. You will prob also want a new caliper and therefore a new master cylinder.

Rubber - Most rims are around 110/120 and 150 so you can use sports rubber designed for 250/400cc sports bikes. Dunlop GPR70/80's work well on the DRZ, but wear fast.

Big singles generally last a long time if they have regular oil changes. My mates NordWest just done 40 or 50 thousand KM.

Best bet is to look at web sites and SM magazine.

Stuart
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