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kieronderbi
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: newbie with a valve clearence question(derbi cross city) Reply with quote

hi all im new to the forum and have just got myself a a derbi cross city 125 as run about

ive been out of biking for nealy 8 years after a bad accident then i was 18

but for some strange reason ive got myself back into it again lol

im after some advice on what the valve clearence gap is on it as the need checking

ive been told its a yamaha engine its 4 stoke i know that but some people have said honda too can anybody piont me in the direction what it is and have the gasp for the valve clearence here is a pic of the engine

thanks kieron

https://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z44/kieronpunto/240820101836.jpg
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't a clue Kieron, but welcome back to the most fun you can have with your clothes on! Very Happy

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PostPosted: 15:25 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the engine number? Sometimes gives a clue as to what jap bike it's been used in.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't clue as to the clearances Kieron but it's a CG125.

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PostPosted: 16:19 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The engines for these bikes are made by "Zongshen" Its a GZS156,
Hope this can help ya!
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

yen_powell wrote:
What is the engine number? Sometimes gives a clue as to what jap bike it's been used in.


engine number on v5 is ZS156FM12A86400452
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC ZS is a Honda code.

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PostPosted: 17:21 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digit wrote:
IIRC ZS is a Honda code.

Roy.

thanks just looking at pic of honda cg125 and the engine looks the same as mine thanks everyone

just got to find a manual or a guide and ill have a crack at it
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find this useful...

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorbikespecs.net%2F&ei=yjd5TIKqDZWj4Qai_uiEBg&usg=AFQjCNHIbIvUV-twxYCi25tIDIG_Qb5loQ

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PostPosted: 17:25 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look at this if it is a CG125 engine
https://hondacg125.awardspace.com/valve_clearance.htm

It looks similar but then might be decieving
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

As far as I am aware, the Honda CG125 uses the push rod system whilst the Derbi cross city 125 uses over head cam driven with chain and sprocket, so my point is they just cannot be the same engines.

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PostPosted: 19:40 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, that would be so.
This would seem to explain the similarity...

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CDcQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fmotoring%2Fscooters%2F2748800%2FAn-uninspiring-local-Derbi.html&ei=tlh5TN6_C83Q4gbly9ScBg&usg=AFQjCNFKf_JbPzNBFtUZ3ymY1HlEmXZAOQ

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PostPosted: 20:19 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digit wrote:


that chucked it out the window then! as the valve clearence would be different then? i know the clearence for the cg125 is 0.8mm any idea what it could be then or will it still be the same i know for a fact it has like tappets as ive taken the big nut of the top and seen the valve adjuster
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've checked all my usual sources and drawn a blank, looks as though they're keeping quiet on this one!

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PostPosted: 21:07 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digit wrote:
I've checked all my usual sources and drawn a blank, looks as though they're keeping quiet on this one!

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ive found this as its the same looking as mine with the cap on top etc but were would you put the feeler is its ohc

https://www.chinariders.net/modules.php?file=viewtopic&name=Forums&t=1655
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The feeler guage passes between what you can see in that pic and the top of the valve stem, and a right PIA job it can be!

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PostPosted: 21:30 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digit wrote:
The feeler guage passes between what you can see in that pic and the top of the valve stem, and a right PIA job it can be!

Roy.



i was thinking take the 8 bolts hold rocker cover on but i dont want it to upset the head/barrel?
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Removing the rocker box, where possible, makes the job easier, but if the bolts also hold the head down then it's a no no.

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PostPosted: 23:25 - 28 Aug 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digit wrote:
Removing the rocker box, where possible, makes the job easier, but if the bolts also hold the head down then it's a no no.

Roy.


look like the 4 bigger nuts hold head down as the is long studs going into the block, shame as i would of made it easy

thanks for your help anyway cheers
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