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Ben312
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 02 Sep 2010    Post subject: Side stand on a CB125 Superdream Reply with quote
It currently has a centre stand which i find really difficult to use and thats quite embarrassing.
How easy is it to put a side stand on instead?
I had one of them on the Rv125 from my CBT and in my opinion they are ten times better.
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Teflon-Mike
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PostPosted: 19:36 - 02 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
I had an e-mail not long ago asking similar question. Q&A as follows:-
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Hi
I have been reading your web pages about you rebuilding your pup and think it is great as Im rebuilding one aswell I was just wondering if you had a spare sidestand you would sell as Im short of one Ive tried every scrappy I know ebay and also David Silver spares.
If you dont do you know any where that I could get one Just to stop my old lady from nagging me.
Thanks
Daz

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Hello Daz,
Whys your old lady moaning at you for want of a side stand?
Wouldn't be the same as Donna's (Whose project 'the pup' is BTW & I am compelled by her whining at me over my shoulder to point out!)............ "But I cant lift it onto the center stand!" would it?
If so you have my sympathy!
First of all though, err..... 'No' is the simple answer.
I have the component parts of seven bikes in my back-garden.
I have four side-stands.
They were NOT a standard item on all models.
And where they WEREN'T fitted, there isn't a lug for one on the frame..... this can make it a bit awkward to fit one, if it didn't have one to begin with.
I DO however, have one, that is anomolouse. It has its own bracket that bolts to the bottom of the engine via two bolt holes that aren't used.
THAT one, I am hanging onto, I'm afraid, as centre-stands are similarly the proverbian hens teeth, and they particularly tend to rot on old bikes left abandoned for decades at a stretch, like the ones I am messing with!
So I dont have a full compliment of centre stands either!
HOWEVER.......
A few leads you may like to follow up.
First up; I spotted a thread on BCF that pointed to a 'generic' side-stand I THINK on the Vehicle Wiring Products web-page. Sorry I dont have link.
Next, in same vein, there used to be a number of after-market 'accessory' stands, in variouse folks catalogues, for customs and dirt-bikes.
The Little super-dream MAY have a problem using a generic stand for a custom, in that it has no frame-cradle, and pretty sure that these things clamped to the cradle tubes. Generic stands for dirt-bikes, though may be a tad more helpful, from memory there were a number that clamped to the rear swing-arm, and were available in different lengths, for when bikes were 'chopped' for trials, and the suspension raised or the frame de-lugged, OR the bike was converted from a pure comper with no stands.
HOWEVER;
Reading up the geneology of the Honda CB, it all started with the little CB125S, single. And treed from that is a LONG line of little hondas between which there is a lot of interchangeability.
Basically, CB125S frame was fitted with the twin pot motor to make the twin-shock CB125T. THAT frame was then fitted with a sleeved down CB125S single engine to make the CB100N, while a push-rod version of the CB125S was put into the 'S' frame to make the CG125.... CB125T evolved to become the mono-shock CB125TD-super-dream, WHILE, the CB125T was re-dressed to produce the CD125 'Benley' AND the CM125 custom.
NOW, I suspect that the side-stand I have, or at leas the bracket its on that bolts round the engine, was perloined from PROBABLY a CM125.
Speculation suggests however, that they may have fitted such a bracket and side-stand to some models of CB125T, CD125 or CM, as well as pottentially to the CG125, the CB100N AND the later derivative single, the CB125RS or CBX125.....
Clear as mud?!?
Basically, If you need the bracket to hang a side-stand on, then its not going to be AS easy as just ordering something from e-bay or DSS.
Going to need a ^^Knowledge^^ and a bit of leg-work to find which of the target bikes had them, like the CB-Dream, likely that it wasn't consistent, some will have had lugs on the frame, some no stand, others the bracketed stand, and THEN having got something in the metal, offered it up to the motor!
BUT, reason I am SERIOUSELY hanging on to the bracketed side-stand I have........
I intend using it as a patern, and trying to make up similar fabricated brackets to fit the other bikes with no side-stands!
NO! - I wont make one for you!
Well, not in any hurry, least wise, by which I mean, certainly not this decade!
Its one of those 'ponder-projects'; stuck on the back-burner until time, incination, or necessity drives it.
Needs some thick steel, I dont have, some welding equipment I do, but preperable a different kit I dont, and a hefty grinding wheel!
BUT, if you would like to give it a go, I can furnish you with pictures of the artifact, dimensions and some kind of sketch!
Maybe you could try and get a local fabricator or black-smith to knock something 'like' up for you.
WHICH, if you are lucky enough to have a frame that has a side-stand lug, is probably no great shakes for them to do.
Bit of tube, slutted and flattened at the end, with some thickening plate welded over. Bent to stand angle, flattened and bent for a foot, a couple of bits or rod weldd on for the kick pin and spring lug, job done, perhaps £20 for such a one-off.
alternatively..... tell her to learn to use the bludy centre stand! Its JUST a matter of technique!
Err........ OK, yeah....... Where can we get some 8mm steel sheet and oxy-kit?!?!? lol
Sorry for not being much help, but there you go, THATS best I can offer.
Best of luck with it.
all the best,
Mike.

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Ben312
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 02 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Right, just to clarify. Its not as easy as taking the old one off and sticking a side stand on?

Okay, thanks, I'll have a nose about the internet and such like. I have a friend who's dad maybe be able to help as his company make foundries so should be okay.

Thanks again
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radical
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 02 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Op, MZ used a sidestand that was attached to the bike with the rear wheel axle, they were very strong and easy to use and fit. You could try a breakers or a MZ/MuZ dealer for one as no drilling or welding would be necessary.
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 02 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
the bike has a dual exhaust so that might not work
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Teflon-Mike
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 02 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ben312 wrote:
the bike has a dual exhaust so that might not work


Not to mention the additional un-sprung mass.

Back to last post, No, you cant just swap a centre stand sfor a side-stand.

Side stand swings out at an angle, from a single angled hinge, centre stand has a horezontal hinge under the bottom of the frame, going through two lugs.

As they came from the factory, they ALL had a centre stand as standard, side-stand was an option or only fitted to some models (think they were badged 'Deluxe'.

As said, there Is a bracket that can be bolted to teh bottom of the engine, via a couple of unused mounting holes, with a side stand on it, that might have been used on some vairiants of Super-Dream or other bikes with the same engine, or with similar ancestry.

But the ones that had a side stand as standard had an extra lug welded to the frame for it.

Possible if you could find a craft black-smith of welder they could make a stand and a lug and weld it to the frame for you.

Else down to scouring teh scrap-yards looking for something that will fit off another bike.

HOWEVER.

why are you having difficulty putting it on teh centre stand.

Dang thing is so light I can littrally lift the ting up by the seat rails and fold the centre stand out under neath it and put it back down again, if I have to!

Propper technique for putting a bike on the Centre stand is to stand by the side of teh bike, body facing over the saddle. left foot firmly on the ground, right fot lifted and step UP onto the cebntre stand arm, while lifting the bike from the rail under the saddle.

Should literally just roll back onto the stand sweet as a nut.

BUT, I do know that the centre stand on teh CB125TD is a bit weak, and over time, the metal rots from the inside and heavy footed learners putting too much weight on it, and twisting the bike rather than lifting it, end up bending the leg of the side stand, so that the nearside foot is at an angle to the other, and a littel behind it, while the step-lever is bent down and out of kilter so it doesn't work like it should.

TRY practicing the propper technique, but if its no easier, have a look at the feet and arm on teh centre stand.

Possibly take it off all together and inspect for the sort of distortion I've mentioned.

Can be fixed by a half decent welder / black-smith heating it up and twisting it back into shape and maybe welding it up for strength again, or repaired by replacement.
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 03 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mine had both stands. There is a trick to it: Put your weight onto the stand all of your weight on 1 foot, then gently rock the bike backwards. Trying to lift it onto the stand will fail every time. The bike will go onto the stand itself provided enough weight is put down through your foot.
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