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Sir Black Pig
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Top 10 most dangerous roads. Reply with quote

Just pulled this from the MCN emagazine, personally I don't know any of these roads and all of the roads in Scotland are blissfully perfect Mr. Green

A new Eurorap report has identified ten roads, nearly all of them in the midlands and north of England, as more dangerous to bikes than any others.

We want to hear from riders who know these roads. What do you think of them? Why are serious or fatal crashes more likely to happen here? Is it something to do with the road itself, rider behaviour, or just the sheer volume of riders who go there?

Here’s the list.

1. A537 Cat and Fiddle
2. A686 Penrith-Haydon Bridge
3. A5012 between A515 and A6
4. A621 between A619 and Totley
5. A54 Buxton to Congleton
6. A5004 Whaley Bridge to Buxton
7. A161 Goole to A18
8. A255 Margate to Ramsgate
9. A40 Llandovery to A479
10. A683 Lancaster to Kirby Lonsdale



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PostPosted: 09:51 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cat and fiddle is more down to idiots than anything, it's heavily policed and is mostly 40 limits now.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds more like a To do list to me....done most of the peak district ones already though, and doing them during the week they don't seem that dangerous - never ventured up there on a Sunday.
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only done one of them, and that's the A40 to A4069 to llandovery.

Good road!

I suspect most of these are down to high number of riders on them more than anything. More people on it, the stupider alot of riders get, and soon a less experienced rider falls off trying to keep up with someone faster.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Re: Top 10 most dangerous roads. Reply with quote

BLUEX5 wrote:
The Black Pig wrote:

7. A161 Goole to A18
Eh??????

a) It's not got too many hazards unless it's suddenly grown lots of blind debris strewn hairpins in the 6 or 7 weeks I last rode it.

b) I've never known the tarmac to be stained red with the blood of RTA victims.

Someone's talking a lot of bollocks.

I agree it's a strange choice.
Maybe it's the lies, damn lies and statistics.

The only dangers on this road I can see are:
Arrow a bit narrow in places
Arrow farm traffic - so mud and gravel in places
Arrow lots of 90 degree bends, some, obviously blind
Arrow deep drainage dykes on some parts - come off and you go down 15 feet.

I guess there's some nice straight or straightish sections, which may catch a few out bearing in mind they end in bends and dykes.

So nothing too much out of the ordinary that you wouldn't expect on a country road.
This time of year it's a nice road providing you stay in your comfort zone, winter is a different story.

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PostPosted: 10:59 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

More of a list where fair weather bikers and idiots are way out of their depth and pay the price.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:
More of a list where fair weather bikers and idiots are way out of their depth and pay the price.


Mmm Hmm My thoughts entirely..

Also as ever the stats never publicise the %age of car induced crashes or bike induced crashes. If the road in question is none too challenging, then you'll probably find motorists spanking down there - inexperienced and out of control.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not just straighten out and level every road in the country and impose blanket 20mph speed limits?

Let's remove any possible variety in our lives and complete full risk assessments every time we get out of bed.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

From experience of doing the A686 Penrith-Haydon Bridge in a car it's easy to get caught out if you don't know the road as it can be a very quick road.

I keep meaning to go back down and do the route on the bike, just never seem to have the time.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride 1,5 and 6 regular yet i'd rate them in reverse order for danger. i.e the Cat road (50limit) has just as many open corners as blind corners and only 2 corners with negative camber. Yet the congleton to buxton (50limit) is narrower with lots of hidden dips and corners on hill crests, more junctions, more pubs. The whaley to buxton suffers the most from HGVs, poor surface more tractors and road crap, least runoffs (fields) most corners that tighten on themselves, 2 camber changes in the same corner. Plentiful blind bends.
I'm finding it difficult to be objective on the reasons for the amount of deaths. I'll leave that for others to think about.

Like most roads that are 'known' to the police, they target them when they will have the most effect. So don't go up the C&F on a sunny sunday. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 18:28 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Re: Top 10 most dangerous roads. Reply with quote

map wrote:
So nothing too much out of the ordinary that you wouldn't expect on a country road.
This time of year it's a nice road providing you stay in your comfort zone, winter is a different story.


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Therein lies the problem.... Too many riders, they don't see ordinary country roads and what they entail..... Mud and gravel and real slow moving tractors. That can easily lurk round bends. Then you have the nice 15 foot drops, when you are off the road....

Or ride them in their comfort zone.

Too many of these roads are seen as a chalange to be riden as fast as possible...
Which ends up with stats like these and silly limits placed on the roads and a heavy police presence in nice weather.
All because some muppet can't control their right wrist.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 01 Jul 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm surprised the A47 between Peterborough and Wisbech isn't in that list, several bikers get killed every year on that damn road.
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PostPosted: 03:27 - 04 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

im surprised about the a255 margate to ramsgate being there, i go along it many times most days and cant see it being especially dangerous.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 04 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Number 2 is the only one I have been on, very fun but not much run off at all should something go wrong, and what little run off there is is down a mountain or into a wall.

It's actually my second favorite road, but can see why it is on there, it also has Hartside top Cafe so loads of bikes use it.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 04 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks as though they don't know the way to west Wales where I live.
The roads are ok, it's the sheep, Badgers, Foxes and tourists that cause most problems.

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PostPosted: 14:16 - 04 Sep 2010    Post subject: Re: Top 10 most dangerous roads. Reply with quote

Sir Black Pig wrote:

10. A683 Lancaster to Kirby Lonsdale

That would be Kirkby Lonsdale, (Devils Bridge) - nice road, nothing overly dangerous about it - just a lot of dickheads that can't ride.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 04 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I've never come across a road that attacked anyone or received an ASBO.
Locally we have had a Tee junction onto a dual carriageway 'temporarily' blocked off for the last four years as 'dangerous!'
There are thousands of similar junctions around but locally there have been some fatalities and dozens of impacts so the 'do gooders' claim it's dangerous.
The police stated in the local paper it was down to idiot drivers.
The last fatality was a 90yr old man who drove his brand new Mini across the junction in front of a Land Rover.
He did a practise run a fortnight earlier and wrote that car off as well!

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PostPosted: 09:52 - 06 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Digit wrote:
Actually I've never come across a road that attacked anyone or received an ASBO.
Roy.


I agree, there is no such thing as a dangerous road, just dangerous drivers. Bad surface, bend severity, bad cambers or whatever can all be overcome by driving the road at a suitable pace.
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