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Nai
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 22 Sep 2010    Post subject: The beggining of Skynet? Reply with quote

Linkage to start - https://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/327178

Saw it on my Yahoo news thing today. Gist of it is there's a piece of malware drifting around out there on USB pen drives and the internet that wants to destroy something in the real world. It could target the Iran power plant. It is rare I give an 'e gads what are we doing?' to mankind any more. But crikey.... Have we gotten to the point now where malware and viruses are going to become world ending weapons? Are we heading for our own judgement day?

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By August, researchers had found something more disturbing: Stuxnet appeared to be able to take control of the automated factory control systems it had infected – and do whatever it was programmed to do with them. That was mischievous and dangerous.

But it gets worse. Since reverse engineering chunks of Stuxnet's massive code, senior US cyber security experts confirm what Mr. Langner, the German researcher, told the Monitor: Stuxnet is essentially a precision, military-grade cyber missile deployed early last year to seek out and destroy one real-world target of high importance – a target still unknown.

"Stuxnet is a 100-percent-directed cyber attack aimed at destroying an industrial process in the physical world," says Langner, who last week became the first to publicly detail Stuxnet's destructive purpose and its authors' malicious intent. "This is not about espionage, as some have said. This is a 100 percent sabotage attack."


This may of course all be hogwash, but I found the article an interesting read.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 22 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you were going to design a homing missile, you would have to look for its target, then do its job. You wouldnt have it do lots of other mayhem on the way, that could attract attention to itself. Surely ?

Interesting idea though.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 22 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The concept is scary enough, and it sounds like it doesn't attract attention to itself. It just sits there if its not on the right system.

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So far, Stuxnet has infected at least 45,000 industrial control systems around the world, without blowing them up – although some victims in North America have experienced some serious computer problems, Eric Byres, a Canadian expert, told the Monitor. Most of the victim computers, however, are in Iran, Pakistan, India, and Indonesia. Some systems have been hit in Germany, Canada, and the US, too. Once a system is infected, Stuxnet simply sits and waits – checking every five seconds to see if its exact parameters are met on the system. When they are, Stuxnet is programmed to activate a sequence that will cause the industrial process to self-destruct, Langner says.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 22 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So far, Stuxnet has infected at least 45,000 industrial control systems around the world, without blowing them up – although some victims in North America have experienced some serious computer problems

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PostPosted: 00:29 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, though I don't think we're quite at the level of self-aware crustaceans!

Now it's fairly well known about, most who have a good reason to be worried are likely to be getting rid of it and protecting against it's re-entry pretty quickly I'd expect.
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PostPosted: 00:48 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon the simple solution here would be to not connect the computer controlling your nuclear power plant to the internet.
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PostPosted: 01:08 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I quite like the thought of fighting terminators tbh
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PostPosted: 08:57 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not an expert on computer viruses at all, but surely it would have to be pretty sophisticated to be able to traverse multiple platforms and programming languages that are used across different systems in different industries doing what it is doing.... or do they all have a unified feature which the virus is exploiting?

Still though, it's easily avoided surely? It's like when people hack into the Pentagon.....why is a system which contains some of the most top secret information in the world hooked up to the net in the first place??

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PostPosted: 09:02 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always feel companies that allow the use of unsecured USB devices are asking for this kind of thing to happen, I've worked in companies that invest lots of money into keeping their networks safe from external influences but will allow staff to bring in any old USB device and connect them to networked PCs..
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is exactly why those the USB dog tag things sold to motorcyclists are a total waste of money, the NHS/ambulance services wont plug them in.
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PostPosted: 09:50 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
I'm not an expert on computer viruses at all, but surely it would have to be pretty sophisticated to be able to traverse multiple platforms and programming languages that are used across different systems in different industries doing what it is doing.... or do they all have a unified feature which the virus is exploiting?


You've seen independence day. Any old bod can quickly knock up a bit of code so advanced that it will work on totally alien systems.

Seriously, you are right. Sure probably 90%+ are using fairly modern standard operating systems running on standard hardware, but the remainder are probably on all sorts of strange stuff and likely that the more bespoke systems are more likely to be in this category. Plenty of stuff still in use on MS DOS or MVS based mainframes, and no a hope you are going to get USB key based software to auto install on them.

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PostPosted: 12:41 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a large part of Malware and viruses are a lack of education on how to use PC's. I have seen councils entire networks get taken down a couple of times due to a dodgy USB stick.

Im a Linux user myself, have not worried about viruses in years. But for the most part 2-3 Mozilla plug ins and running as a restricted user could squash a good 80%+ of viruses and malware on Windows. But nobody wants the inconvenience of having to put in their password once when they want to install something.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I reckon the simple solution here would be to not connect the computer controlling your nuclear power plant to the internet.


It seems that this got on through a USB pen drive, and doesn't need a remote command over the internet to tell it to break stuff.

The solution there would be to not have USB or other ports on a computer connected to your nuclear power plant, but that would make it difficult to update the software or make any changes to parameters.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
I reckon the simple solution here would be to not connect the computer controlling your nuclear power plant to the internet.


It seems that this got on through a USB pen drive, and doesn't need a remote command over the internet to tell it to break stuff.

The solution there would be to not have USB or other ports on a computer connected to your nuclear power plant, but that would make it difficult to update the software or make any changes to parameters.


Perhaps have the required USB port internally, such that only engineers and people who should be fucking with that stuff have access to it?

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PostPosted: 13:33 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:38 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:05 - 23 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:

The solution there would be to not have USB or other ports on a computer connected to your nuclear power plant, but that would make it difficult to update the software or make any changes to parameters.


The Security Policy Framework says you should have controls in place, idealy they should be disabled but if not access control such as Port Control should stop any unauthorised usb working in the system.

Mind you I see so many secure systems that are so far removed from what is mandadted policy its worrying... especially when you know what data is on them. Neutral
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