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Blue_SV650S
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: My antipathy for Michelin is re-confirmed ... Reply with quote
Michelin Power one - just as sh1te as its predecessors it seems!

Watching a mate racing at Brands yesterday, he was trying out some Michelin Power ones for the first time. Several laps in and the front just washed out on him at paddock hill, with no warning, and down he went (paddock is a fast turn too!) - he was doing nothing different to the previous laps ... typical Michelin! Rolling Eyes

Oh and this guy NEVER crashes ... and I mean NEVER, so if he crashes, there is something proper wrong! Shocked

Needless to say, he took them straight off and went back to his old brand Wink

https://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/images/product/product/mic_power-one.jpg <----- Sh1te!
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
My antipathy for your posts has been re-confirmed.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Re: My antipathy for Michelin is re-confirmed ... Reply with quote
Well, that's added another three years until I buy/use Michelin again!
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Re: My antipathy for Michelin is re-confirmed ... Reply with quote
G wrote:
Well, that's added another three years until I buy/use Michelin again!


Agreed, I actually had the discussion of "Michelins are VERY heat sensitive and have no warning before letting go" conversation with my mate before he went out, he was in agreement that he felt the same about the Race (1s and 2s) and the 2CTs ... but was willing to give these a try as ... well Michelin can't continually get it wrong can they??!? Thinking ...

Gutted for him to have the off (he and the bike were largely fine) but a thumbs up for keeping open minded ... there is no way I ever intend to buy a set of Michellins again - or as you say, certainly not for another tyre generation ... or three!! Wink
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
So the traditional Michelin Man is in fact wearing protective gear? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So the traditional Michelin Man is in fact wearing protective gear? Very Happy


Yeh, if you use his tyres and don't wear a fully inflatable air-suit to protect you, then expect to get hurt!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Glad I have Metzlers then!
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
my Michelin Power Pures are absolutely superb, there could be been so many factors in him losing the front... don't automatically blame the tyres. A loose stone on track? him grabbing front brake without thinking? oil/fluid from another bike?
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Acemastr wrote:
my Michelin Power Pures are absolutely superb, there could be been so many factors in him losing the front... don't automatically blame the tyres. A loose stone on track? him grabbing front brake without thinking? oil/fluid from another bike?

A good tyre should recover from such things if possible - something I've noted with Avons too; in general other tyres will recover from a momentry lack of adhension, while typically Avons won't.

What group do you ride in, when at trackdays?
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Acemastr wrote:
my Michelin Power Pures are absolutely superb, there could be been so many factors in him losing the front... don't automatically blame the tyres. A loose stone on track? him grabbing front brake without thinking? oil/fluid from another bike?


Have you actually ever 'pushed' the tyres enough to find out their limitations?!!? Razz

There being something on the track having him off can't be 100% ruled out, but don't you think it is extremely 'convenient' if that was the case!? Wink
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Blue_SV650S wrote:


There being something on the track having him off can't be 100% ruled out, but don't you think it is extremely 'convenient' if that was the case!? Wink


I think its extremely convenient to blame the tyres
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I think its extremely convenient to blame the tyres


How so?

The guy never crashes - I even saw the crash (from the sideline as a spectator) and there was nothing obviously amiss with the track from where I was ... it was also several laps in and lots of bikes had been over the same bit ...

He also said "the front just went, I wasn't doing anything different that lap", so from his perspective, the tyre just let go mid race ... and as the rider (an experienced one at that) I'd say he had the best seat in the house to make the call on what was at fault, don't you?!! Wink
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
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swiftb38 wrote:


How so?

The guy never crashes -


Well he did yesterday. Maybe he doesnt have enough experience crashing to be 100% certain of the cause?? Or maybe he is masking the fact he made a mistake by blaming the tyres? Or maybe it was the tyres?

Just because your mate binned it on Michelins doesnt actually mean there shit tyres does it?
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
swiftb38 wrote:

Well he did yesterday. Maybe he doesnt have enough experience crashing to be 100% certain of the cause?? Or maybe he is masking the fact he made a mistake by blaming the tyres? Or maybe it was the tyres?

Just because your mate binned it on Michelins doesnt actually mean there shit tyres does it?


He has done enough track miles and had enough tyres sliding about to know when a tyre is unhappy and just plain sh1te! Wink

I do have a prejudice against Michelin through personal experiences, so I am certainly very 'willing' to believe the tyres were at fault, but at the end of the day, regardless of all that, the evidence is heavily weighted against the tyres in this situation! Razz

I actually think it is 'head in the sand', eyes shut, fingers in the ears, "lalala" to NOT think the tyres were at fault!! Wink
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ive heard the same stories about Michelin, Dunlop, Avon, Pirelli etc etc.
On a lighter note I just noticed everyone of your posts in this thread bar one ends with a wink. I always thought you were a bit of a compulsive winker Wink
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
swiftb38 wrote:
Ive heard the same stories about Michelin, Dunlop, Avon, Pirelli etc etc.
On a lighter note I just noticed everyone of your posts in this thread bar one ends with a wink. I always thought you were a bit of a compulsive winker Wink


The Dunslips, Pirelli, Bridgestone and Metz race tyres I have used have always been predictable (no track experience on AVON)
Pirelli/Metz being my clear favourite of the bunch. The Michelin have always been more ultimately 'grippy' but don't give the feedback/warning sighs of the other tyres ... they are terrible when cold, then it is it just grip-grip-grip - do the same thing next lap and ... bam!!! on ya 4ss a if they were cold tyres!! Crying or Very sad

Oh and I like a good wink - helps one to express oneself! Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
If loads of people start crashing on them for no reason i might worry.

But one guy crashing is just bad luck.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
I gotta agree with blue on this one, the fronts are shite, the rears will last forever.

these tyres are very pressure sensitive and seem to operate in a smaller window than the other tyres, i think 28 hot. I had a few crashes this year on michelins which really hampered my confidence when trying to race.
Hence I stopped using them altogether now and prefer the racetecs million times more than the power ones and I wont be going back to them either.

The general feeling round the race paddock is the getting the exact same response and I personally know alot of riders stay well clear of these now. Even had someone from TTC even say the same thing.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Deano wrote:
I gotta agree with blue on this one, the fronts are shite, the rears will last forever.

these tyres are very pressure sensitive and seem to operate in a smaller window than the other tyres, i think 28 hot. I had a few crashes this year on michelins which really hampered my confidence when trying to race.
Hence I stopped using them altogether now and prefer the racetecs million times more than the power ones and I wont be going back to them either.

The general feeling round the race paddock is the getting the exact same response and I personally know alot of riders stay well clear of these now. Even had someone from TTC even say the same thing.


Indeed, people 'in the know' realise they are carp (and have been for a number of generations of track tyre ) ... but the disillusion the general populous thinking they are awesome is a credit to Shitchelin marketing!! Clapping

It always makes me giggle when people shout how good their new set of Michelins are!! NO they are not they are carp, you just don't know it! Hand
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 03 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
Had a lot of people in it's first year saying the same thing in TTC!
Apparantly they had some special compound the year after to try and make it a bit better.

I suspect that if you're on a top-flight international team and have an official tyre guy leant to you to get the setup right, maybe they do offer more grip than others. But for club racers and general 'people', they seem to be a really poor choice.

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Ive heard the same stories about Michelin, Dunlop, Avon, Pirelli etc etc.

As ever, the thing it to take a step back and see the bigger picture. From my personal point of view, I've seen a hell of a lot bad about Michelin, including a lot of personal experience. Definitely don't like Avon for similar reasons.
While I have heard bad things about Pireili, often it seems to be the "I took these knackered tyres off and it was so much better with the new ones, so the old ones most be terrible" kinda thing. And again, personal experience having used a lot of their track tyres and now quite a lot of their road tyres, often losing traction, has given me confidence in their abilities.
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Hmm and I was going to get some Power Pure's for my RSV next. I tried some Metzler Racetec race scrubs at my Rockingham trackday and they were awesome but I don't think I need the level of grip they offer when I weight it up against the wear rate (paying half the new price for the scrubs was nice though). So probably looking at either Metzler Sportec M5 Interact or Pirelli Diablo Corsa... any views? Dry (99% of the time) road riding and occasional track days through the year. I'd been using plain Diablo's before my first track day... I lasted 1 session of the rear sliding about coming out of corners before I decided to change them Laughing .
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I really like the Corsa IIIs I've got on the GSXR. Lots of grip in the dry and better than most 'distance' tyres in the wet too.
Not TOO bad wear rates, even with my riding and my exuberant acceleration Smile.
Handled trackdays fine too of course.
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St0rmer66 wrote:
Hmm and I was going to get some Power Pure's for my RSV next. I tried some Metzler Racetec race scrubs at my Rockingham trackday and they were awesome but I don't think I need the level of grip they offer when I weight it up against the wear rate (paying half the new price for the scrubs was nice though). So probably looking at either Metzler Sportec M5 Interact or Pirelli Diablo Corsa... any views? Dry (99% of the time) road riding and occasional track days through the year. I'd been using plain Diablo's before my first track day... I lasted 1 session of the rear sliding about coming out of corners before I decided to change them Laughing .


What compound Metz were you running?
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I had a pair of Metzler M5 Interacts put on my Fireblade last week. I am certainly no racer, but they are good and grippy for the road. Only done a few 100km on them so far, so too early to report on wear.
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PostPosted: 05:55 - 05 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote
The big criticism of Michelin race tires was always that they give great grip, but zero warning of when they are about to break traction.
I've always gone with bridgestone and have never been disappointed.
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