Can I drive on a dual carriageway with a 125 and a CBT?

ScottishBiker · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 11 Sep 2010 Karma :

Can I drive on a dual carriageway with a 125 and a CBT? I have seen people do it and people at college say they do it all the time but i didnt think you were allowed if you just had your CBT because your still a learner?

0ddball · World Chat Champion Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Karma :

Yes. You're not allowed on a motorway.

timboellis · Traffic Copper Joined: 06 Jul 2009 Karma :

Yes you can as far as I am aware just motorways is a no no, when i was on L's last year i took my 125 from Glasgow to Thutso most of the road up to inverness was Dual Carragewage, not great though

blurredman · World Chat Champion Joined: 18 Sep 2010 Karma :

Yes. A motorway is three lanes or more. National speed limit on a dual carriage is 70mph so that's why it is sometimes confused as a motorway.
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ScottishBiker · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 11 Sep 2010 Karma :

Thanks guys. Smile

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Nexus Icon · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Karma :

Dual carriageways can have three lanes in each direction. They get upgraded to an M road if they have a hard shoulder. Conversely, there are stretches of motorway (bits of the M3 spring to mind) with only 2 lanes but with a hard shoulder.

Nexus Icon · World Chat Champion Joined: 26 Aug 2010 Karma :

There are probably A and M roads which defy both of those examples though.

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Vman · Scooby Slapper Joined: 23 Sep 2010 Karma :

Sorry, meant to add a 'separated' lane for each direction....
And they can be 1 or more lanes each side. It's the central reservation that is the important bit, making it dual carriages. A single carriage way has no separator between the different directions.

Bloke · Crazy Courier Joined: 06 Aug 2010 Karma :

Simple rule.

Blue signs: motorway
green signs: A Road
white: local, B roads.

Only road you are not allowed on as a learner are motorways. Everything else dual carriageway or not is fair game.
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Teflon-Mike · tl;dr Joined: 01 Jun 2010 Karma :

Duel Carriageway is a road with the 'carriageways' for traffic in opposite directions seperated by a median divider.

If there's just a white line between traffic in opposite directions, no matter HOW many lanes there are for each direction, its a single carriageway.

If there is a kerb and median between the opposing directions, again, mo matter how many lanes there are in each direction, its a Duel-Carriageway.

Quite possible, to have a six-lane single carriageway. Aston Expressway in Birmingham is actually one of them.

Also possible to have a single lane duel-carriageway, and agin, quite common.

Difference between a conventional 'Duel-Carriageway' and a 'MOTORWAY' is simply the regulations in force on them, which preclude pedestrians, bicycles, horses or horse drawn vehicles, tractors, pedestrian propelled vehicles, and mopeds. Your also not allowed to stop on a motorway, except in an emergency. Probably a few other regs too.

Duel-Carriageways CAN have some-times have special restrictions applied to them, for instance 'Urban Clear-Way' or major cross town routes often have no-stopping restrictions on them.

Sounds like you could do with a bit of time studying the High-Way code..... CBT doesn't have ALL the answers.......

Many Drivers could do with that advice too, though... plenty dont know the subtelties of Duel-Carriageways & Motorway Regulations.

Things like the fact that while the speed limit is 70, thats ONLY for cars, commercial vehicles and ANY-ONE towing, its 60. Or that JUST becouse a by-pass has more than two lanes, fact that theres no median means its a SINGLE carriageway and the 'Unrestricted' road sign doesn't mean 70mph but 60, and I believe 50 for commercial vehicles!
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stonesie · World Chat Champion Joined: 04 Jul 2010 Karma :

I use a dual carriageway quite regularly on the CG125, the A1 in fact.

It just happens to be classed as A road rather than motorway between the Red House junction (A638, also dual carriageway) and Ferry bridge, not far from there to squires up the old A1 Cool

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tahrey · World Chat Champion Joined: 07 Jul 2010 Karma :

There's no physical spec that defines a motorway from any other road. It's a purely legal one. There are even a few single-carriageway - and even 2-lane single carriage - ones in existence. I commute on a 7-lane wide, tidal-flowing one quite regularly for a start (Aston Expressway). And no end of 2-lane-each-way dual carriage ones...

All it is, is a legal classification that no learners, mopeds, tractors, pedestrians or non-motorised vehicles are allowed. Which covers you, on a 125 with L-plates... but not once you've lost them. It also affects the speed limits and where you're allowed to enter and exit, but not in any way that significantly affects the normal bike rider or car driver. (Besides, there are those with 50-limits on)

Oh yeah, and the blue signs with that bridged-road symbol, and the letter "M" somewhere in the name (start or end) is a dead giveaway. Any of those, you're not allowed. Everywhere else, good to go.
Well except for those tunnels on the A55, which don't allow learners, but they're practically "secret motorways" anyhow.

There are plenty of dual carriageway A-roads that are close to or even exceed the standards of some of the crappier motorways. Some bits of the A55, A50 or A34 vs the entirety of the M50, for example.

Note, if you don't even "get" this fairly simple classification, it's a good sign you REALLY need to dig your nose into a highway code, and maybe some of those official DSA learner books.