Local Authority reduces visibilty to slow speeding bikers..

[Kris]

"Highway chiefs have been criticised by a police accident investigator for erecting wooden screens to stop motorcyclists seeing traffic as they approach a roundabout.

The screens are in the middle of a dual carriageway to force motorcyclists to slow down more before entering the roundabout, but critics say they will also hide bikers from car drivers."



https://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/273166/images/RoundaboutSN.gif


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Hmm. Bonkers idea or an acceptable way to slow approach speeds?
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[Welshd1k]

this has been done in swansea on camarthen road as you aproacha roundabout. it does slow you down alot more but its fucking dangerous as you have to peak further forward over the line before pullling out

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https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=swansea+wales&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=54.005807,113.818359&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Swansea,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.635383,-3.953824&spn=0,0.003473&z=19&layer=c&cbll=51.635383,-3.953824&panoid=gmrFlhCQRCrxbd5LFccDrA&cbp=12,122.4,,0,30.1


but the photo's are old
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[colin1]

It's done a lot with shrubbery in my town. It does slow people down to an extent, but I think it also makes things more dangerous as you can see less. To me it makes sense to be able to see across an island, so you can come out when there will be a gap, rather than last minute guesswork, as you only see it when it comes round the corner, but dont know whats behind it.
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[tvchimp]

There is one on a roundabout near my house, the fence is about 8 foot high, and goes for about 200yards down the road before getting to the roundabout.

IMO, it's more of a hazard than a good thing, I've been pulled out on twice because drivers have looked thinking there is nothing there because they cant see through the fence then at the last minute have seen me and luckily stopped..

I have added a quick crappy photoshop of what the fence looks like, and the view you have coming up to the roundabout. Please note, the fence is shit and not to scale

https://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h293/bobhm/crappyroundabout.jpg
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[Paxovasa]

It will not just be bikes that are affected, most cars will not be able to see much either.
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Will be interesting when the accident rate goes up
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[iooi]

While at 1st it does seem a good idea to ensure drivers slow to a almost stop before the roundabout. It fails to take into account that you will see a increase in rear end shunts, on the slip roads, as drivers coming up will not slow fast enough and rear end someone while they are trying to see traffic on the roundabout.
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[The999Kid]

I thought the whole point of a roundabout is to keep traffic moving at the intersection of 3 or more roads... i.e you look ahead and assess the traffic and if it is safe to do so then you move out into a gap in the traffic flow. not slow down and try and look ahead but are stopped by a massive fence, stop at the line to find a clear roundabout and curse the twat who made you stop where you could have made good progress!
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[stinkwheel]

That comes straight out of the same book as the A75 from Dumfries to Stranraer.

The genius who designed that reasoned that since a lot of acidents occur when someone is overtaking, he'd build a road that is almost impossable to overtake on.

You can imagine how well this works considering Stranraer is one of the main ferry ports for freight going between Scotland and Ireland.

Mind you. That roundabout scheme sounds like a local councillor with a bee in his bonnet to me. I bet he gets passed by a load of bikes on his way into work in the morning.
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Hi

Noticed this in a few places over the last few years. Stupid idea. Even ignoring safety they screw up the flow of traffic and then they wonder why congestion gets worse on the roads.

All the best

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[ollieholt]

they have taken to planting high bushes round a few up here. less in your face but teh same outcome. what a fucking stupid idea. giving youless time to come to a dicision when on the road is a daft idea, ok so the idea is you slow rightdown but still you have to get right on top of the roundabout before you can make any decision. rear end shunts are going to increase a hell of alot especially with cagers getting impatient and trying to keep speed only to see a car coming and anchoring on or worse strainign to see right and hitting the car infront. its going to happen.

stupidity knows no limits when it comes to the middle class councillors of this great nation. they have no concept of the real world. the worst thing that happens to them is that there bins arent emptied or they put the wrong stamp on an envelope...
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

Yep, there's a fair few around me, although if you stand on the pegs you can see over some of them.

As said is seems to rather defeat the point of the roundabout, but having seen some of the "redevelopments" of the road layout near me recently I can only assume that transport planners don't drive.
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[blurredman]

The whole point of a roundabout is so you do not have to stop unless something is coming.

Either people will go because they don't look for long enough and end up creating an accident or an accumulation of traffic will occur in busy areas.
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Theres one on Brenley Corner near Faversham if anyone is from the South East just recently up.

Stupid idea in my opinion.
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[Walloper]

I hope you write and complain to your local council.
Suggest to them that you will hold them responsible if you are involved in an incident where this type of 'traffic calming' has caused or been a contributing factor in the incident.

Contact the bike group MAG about this.
It is your right.

The councils in this country are staffed by tawaaats.... Individuals who've failed in industry/life so end up with safe jobs in local councils.
Knock their door down, badger and pester them.

PS. The person at MCN who did the paint diagram of the road layout needs an Arse kicking too. Where is the fence in this diagram? Is it the strip marked as the narrow band in the middle wot is the same colour as the grass coloured bit.

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[delvey91]

Theyve recently made one of these in exeter, Its pointless, I can just stand up on the bike and look over to see if theres anything coming . But i think a lorry has already run into a back of a car there as he could see it was clear but the car in front had to slow.

Stupid idea in all accounts if im honest

[Pete.]

I agree that it's a stupid idea, but if I can play devil's advocate here for a bit it will help to stop people who approach a roundabout at speed and keep the power on even though there's another motorist about to enter a roundabout from a junction to their left.

What I'm saying here is that some people, on approach, check there's nothing to the right and if it's clear they assume they have total right of way. Since traffic entering a roundabout need only give way to traffic to their right which is at the roundabout, rather than approaching it, it needn't necessarily be the case.

Many times the entering traffic won't have a good view of the next junction to their right, or vehicles approaching it, bt those vehicles will have a good view of the next junction further round again.
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[Codemonkey]

Same near me:

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=53.317531,-1.478219&spn=0.004192,0.021973&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.317756,-1.474638&panoid=1NM_HVMYUw9BQ1z5_DCIZg&cbp=12,218.37,,0,6.71

Can see the posts in that pic, they're now fitted with ugly grey panels that block the view right up to the roundabout. Whoever came up with the idea should be sandblasted then rolled in salt, feckin moron!

[Im-a-Ridah]

Ahh so roundabout accidents go up, which they then use as an excuse to implement even more punishing methods, which in turn likely invoves a revenue collection stream!

[Clanger]

Stupid idea, because the idea of roundabout's isn't to stop the traffic, it's to keep the flow going, but slowly...if they want traffic to stop they should put the solid lines across and compulsory stop signs at each junction.

The amount of idiots who seemingly sit waiting for traffic to come onto roundabouts is growing. At mini roundabouts, I automatically go first whilst others dither (car or bike)...so far so good (thankfully), as I haven't been faced with another me.
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[Nixon]

IIRC the locals were quoted as calling it "their gp circuit" and regularly abused it, and obviously still abusing it with the fence up otherwise there wouldn't be a crash investigation!

If you ride like a twat you will crash like a twat, and if you can't slow down enough to make sure the roundabout is clear and safe to pass, your a twat! if you enter a roundabout without looking, your a twat and if you get hit by a car coming from the right your a twat!

by that logic, fence or no fence if your not riding like a twat your pretty safe.