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NSR125-Kid-UK
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PostPosted: 01:48 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Changed My Mind Reply with quote

As anyone who knows me probably knows, I love NSR's, and think they are gorgeous fantastic bikes, and i love them to bits, and think they are fantastic machines.
Or rather i did.

Without any experience changing my mind, something convinced me that i would be far better off getting my full test over with and out of the way. Although the idea of the full test scares me, I'm just holding myself back by not doing it, and restricting my choice of bike.

For some reason, maybe all the advice given by ste, bendy and others, or maybe Danny passing his test, I no longer want an NSR, or indeed a 125. I'm going to get my test out of the way and done with, then i'm going to get myself a 400.

Insurance will probably be more expensive for me, but at least i won't be spending a lot of money on something i'm only going to use for a year. I was going to go for something like a Baby blade, or a GSX400, but this little number caught my eye.

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I mean the bike by the way, not the very nice woman on it.

I thought i'd let this post float around, and see if i can find out whether I'm becoming more sensible or just chopping and changing. I just hope i'm making the right choice.
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PostPosted: 02:06 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, get the test over and done with 1st, then make a choice on the next bike. I'd stay down on the cc's a bit, 400cc - 550cc would be ideal if you do the A or A2 test. If you do the A2 test make sure the bike has got a 33BHP kit fitted, if it has not, get one fitted.

Why 400cc - 550cc ? Cos it will be a lot cheaper on the insurance for you until you build up a good NCB (like 2 plus years).

Lots of peps passing the test of late, five people in the last week alone now.

If anyone else has been riding for a long time now on a Provisional Licence, it's about time you did the test ! What are you waiting for ? Why are you reading this ? Get up of your bum and book that test today, or you will never do it !
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PostPosted: 02:31 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

What worries me is that at work I ride a 50cc restricted ped. I get the feeling I'd be very confused swapping from a pizza ped to a 400 and back twice a day.

I love the idea of scrapping those huge white flags that say "I am a second class road user" though, and I look forward to that little bit of extra speed.

Just got to earn it now, and that's the bit that worries me. Let's see if i can keep the string of successes up though eh?
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry, you'll change your mind again between now and getting a bike. For that reason I can't be bothered to write a reply with more.
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll probably keep changing your mind right up until you see the bike you want.

It's always best to keep your options open and see what comes up, that way you're more likely to get a bike you're happy with (and don't have to travel miles to get.... like I did!).

Just keep your eyes open and make note of anything that takes your fancy Very Happy
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not get the NSR, ride if for a couple of months to get some experience, pass your test, derestrict the NSR (which you can then do legally) and ride it a bit more, until you find another bike you want?
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

TBH mate, considering the 'difficulties' you had with your CBT I think you would benefit greatly from riding around on a 125 for at least a year.
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love to do a standard answer but you... well you are a special case.

First thing is to do your test when you can afford it, whatever. Even if you decide to ride an SR50 afterwards, you want to get the 33bhp restriction ticking away.

Next up for you I would say get a 4 stroke of some kind, somehow i get the idea you and a peaky, revvy 2 stroke could be a recipe for disaster. Or you could run it out of oil.

Something like a CB/CM/CD 200/250 would be suitable, unglamourous, cheap in so many ways, and crashable for you to get some proper road experience (a 38mph ped really doesn't count) and then see. I certainly wouldn't advise you to hop onto an RVF400, and i wouldn't advise anyone to ride any bike with 33 bhp restrictors, they really make it nasty.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nasty? I'll take your word at that. I'll just have to reduce the amount of time I keep them in then won't I?

TBH I think going from a pizza ped to doing a test on a 125 to riding around on an RVF is going to scare the hell out of me if I don't take things a little more slowly. The problem is i can only afford to go through this process once, and I certainly can't afford to change bikes if i don't like the one I have.

Basically that's saying if i buy an RVF then i'm stuck with it.
Is that such a bad thing?
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well after out little MSN conversation Andy, i've got some things for you to consider:

1. If you buy an RVF, you will probably seriously injure yourself/kill yourself, this belief is based on the fact that it took 3 attempts for you to pass your CBT.

2. It WILL most probably take you several attempts to pass your test and will cost you ALOT of money.

3. To help you pass your test you would greatly benefit from riding around on a geared 125 for several months atleast, if you don't do this you'll spend silly amounts on training.

4. You might loose money selling the 125 if you get one to learn on.

5. An RVF will more more expenive to insure than a 125.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. It took 3 attempts for me to pass my CBT because of some reason or other. An interesting fact is as soon as I switched instructors, I passed first time.

2. RVF's are more expensive to insure, but if i can pay monthly, i could probably still afford it.

3. I don't want to spend over a thou on a bike i'm only going to keep for a year, and i don't want to spend under a thou on a tacky heap.

Dude i've been given so much conflicting and disagreeing advice from so many people that i don't know which way is up or down anymore. What i do know is that i can't afford a crappy 125 and then a bigger bike. I'm not that fortunate. The bike i buy is the bike i'm stuck with.

I need to do something about it quickly because all this fuss and confusion is making me question whether i was right to want a bike in the first place. So I'm going to get a bike, and find out. If i'm making mistakes, they're mine to make, and i can't learn from other people's mistakes because i'm not other people.

If you get me Smile.
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you could do is find a decent dealer and do a deal with them. Have a 125 from them to use to get some practice in up until you pass the test, on the understanding you get a good deal when you trade it back in with them for something bigger. I heard my local Honda dealer doing something similar for new riders on a couple of occasions. At the end of the day they make most money on the sale of a new bike, the second biggest earner is the servicing. So even though you aren't buying new, if you give the impression that they will get all the service work it gives them an incentive. The best thing a dealer can get is a for life customer.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

dainesefreak wrote:
What you could do is find a decent dealer and do a deal with them. Have a 125 from them to use to get some practice in up until you pass the test, on the understanding you get a good deal when you trade it back in with them for something bigger. I heard my local Honda dealer doing something similar for new riders on a couple of occasions. At the end of the day they make most money on the sale of a new bike, the second biggest earner is the servicing. So even though you aren't buying new, if you give the impression that they will get all the service work it gives them an incentive. The best thing a dealer can get is a for life customer.


It sounds like an interesting prospect mate, but how would i know that i can find the bike i'm looking for in that dealers, and how would i come to such an arrangement with the dealers? my local Bike showroom has no such scheme as far as i am aware, and neither NSR's or RVF's to be seen. In principle your idea probably sounds like a good bet though.

At the end of the day though i think it's probably time i stopped worrying so much about what other people thing (even if it is good advice (even if most of it conflicts and no 2 people can agree)) and got up and did something, cos otherwise i'm going to end up getting bored and throwing in the towel. A little bit of a desperate gamble perhaps? Probably.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, i know its not very nice but i have to do it.

Hahahahahahahaha ROFL @ U for needing 3 tries to pass a CBT Laughing Laughing Smile Very Happy

Made my day that has Very Happy

Id definatley say get a 125 before you go out, buy and then destroy an RVF.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you not read about that kid who took 8 attempts mate? common thing apparently. Like i say, as soon as i switched instructors, i passed. Must have been the instructors Razz

I went on to do a 4 hour road course and get myself a job riding horrible little scooters for a living.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didnt think it was possible to 'fail' a CBT seeing as its only training rather than a test. You must have been doing something wrong or been unsafe to fail it, blaming your instructor is a bit slack. Razz

What do you do for a living?
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I deliver pizzas on a crappy 50cc restricted ped.

My problem throughout all the cbt's was clutch control, so i don't know what the instructors were doing wrong. Actually i do. When i started falling behind the left me and concentrated on the other students.

As soon as i switched instructors though, the CBT seemed as easy as it should have been first time.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSR125-Kid-UK wrote:

Dude i've been given so much conflicting and disagreeing advice from so many people that i don't know which way is up or down anymore. What i do know is that i can't afford a crappy 125 and then a bigger bike. I'm not that fortunate. The bike i buy is the bike i'm stuck with.


Not so.

A crappy 125 will lose virtually no value when you come to sell it on in a few months. This is why we generally advise people not to go out and buy a shiny new 125 cos they lose a fortune on it when selling. Once a bike's a few years old, depreciation drops dramatically.


My 2p:
Just buy the fecking NSR. You've been going on and on about them for months, so get one. Ride it. When you feel confident, pass your test.
If you time this right, there'll be lots of people wanting to buy learner bikes around springtime and you'll sell the NSR without making too much of a loss.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, the NSR it is. For now, and I will be riding it with the express intention of getting rid of it and buying an RVF.

At least I end up with a nice NSR for a while Smile.

It seems I shouldn't rush things, so I won't. but i DO want that RVF Very Happy. Danny's NSR it is.
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good.

You've got your whole life to have different bikes. There's no point in rushing it.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll just do a "luke" later on and go from an NSR to a Honda 400 Smile. I agree with ppl especially danny, in that i do need practice before my test. I guess i just got too excited at the prospect of an RVF, and a little annoyed that everybody came down on me like a tonne of proverbial.

There's always next year to get one isn't there? Smile.
I DO need to get my test done though, because i know the way to a few places that i can only get to by motorway because i don't know the way by back roads, and i want to get rid of those hideous white flags, but for some reason I've calmed down now, am open to reason, and agree with you.

That is that for a while, and I'm glad of it.
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PostPosted: 17:01 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, a young rider with no no-claims trying to insure a 1996 Honda 400 the day they pass the test?

The premiums will be sky high, potter around on a 125 for a year at least I'd say, to build up the no-claims (assuming you don't crash..)
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSR125-Kid-UK wrote:
1. It took 3 attempts for me to pass my CBT because of some reason or other. An interesting fact is as soon as I switched instructors, I passed first time.


How does that work then? Confused Laughing

I have to say that the RVF is a great machine, and it has a linear (and hence predictible) power curve, which makes it fairly forgiving. Having said that, you still need some degree of maturity and respect for the road and bike.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want a suzuki goose, 33bhp standard look good for ten year old bike parts arent cheap. Oh and i have one for sale Smile
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 21 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimboJ wrote:
You want a suzuki goose, 33bhp standard look good for falling off the back of a lorry


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