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PostPosted: 08:46 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: North Wales News Biker clocked at 153mph Reply with quote

North Wales News Biker clocked at 153mph on A470 near Dolegllau spared jail
Oct 15 2010 by Eryl Crump, Daily Post


Andrew Jones
A MOTORBIKER who sped past police and other traffic at a “horrific” 153mph on a busy bank holiday has been banned from driving.

Mechanic Andrew Darren Jones was caught doing two-and-a-half times the 60mph speed limit on the A470 on his Kawasaki bike.

He was pulled over by a police officer on speed enforcement duties on an unmarked motorbike at Bron Aber near Trawsfynydd.

The officer had to get up to 120mph trying to catch Jones as he raced past other vehicles during a five-mile chase. The officer even considered abandoning the pursuit because it was so dangerous. Yesterday Jones, 37, was handed a four-month prison sentence, suspended for 18 months, when he admitted dangerous driving at Dolgellau Magistrates Court.

He was banned from driving for 30 months and ordered to carry out 250 hours unpaid community work. He was also ordered to pay £85 and will have to retake his driving test.

Sentencing Jones, from Dudley, West Midlands bench chairman Caerwyn Roberts said he’d achieved a “quite horrific speed”. He said: “This was an exceptionally high speed on a busy road during a bank holiday. You were riding in a manner that was dangerous to other road users.”

Richard Edwards, prosecuting, said: “The officer saw the motorbike approach when it was about a mile away at what he believed to be an excessive speed.

“He saw it overtake three vehicles crossing solid white lines and estimated its speed at 140mph. He checked the speed with a laser device and was recorded at 153mph.”

Jones was riding a Kawasaki ZXR1000, capable of a top speed of 180mph, on August 30. Mr Edwards added the road is straight but undulating with numerous dips, farm gates and junctions.

“The officer immediately went after him illuminating its emergency equipment. He had some difficulty gaining on the bike despite his speed reaching 120mph at times.

On the brow of a hill near Coed y Brenin the officer saw the motorbike overtake four vehicles.

“At that point the officer considered abandoning the pursuit on safety grounds but continued because he feared the biker would continue at high speed until reaching his destination or crashing,” he added.

As Jones approached Ganllwyd and a 40mph limit he looked round and saw the police officer.

“He slowed and pulled into a lay-by where the officer spoke to him. Told of the speed, Jones did not appear surprised and at interview accepted everything put to him,” said Mr Edwards.

Gareth Evans, defending, said Jones apologised to the court and the police for any inconvenience he had caused. “He accepts the speed was excessively high. It is the highest I have come across in this court,” he said.

Urging the court to be lenient, Mr Evans said Jones worked for a truck company and was required to be on call.

“In his employment he drives up to 40,000 miles a year. If he is disqualified for any length of time he will lose that job and he may face dire financial circumstances,” he added.

Jones left court without comment.

Superintendent Gary Ashton said: “The irresponsible behaviour of this motorcyclist could have had catastrophic consequences and I am pleased that the sentence reflects the gravity of this offence. Safe, responsible, legal riders who have due care for their own safety and that of other road users are welcome, but we will not accept anyone riding in a reckless, dangerous or unlawful manner.

“We will continue to target those who put their lives and the lives of others at risk. We work with the motorbike community and recognise that it is a minority who ride well over the speed limit. We will continue to target these offenders and where necessary use covert vehicles to do so.”
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

As always, the Police are out there catching the real criminals. Rolling Eyes.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fairness overtaking on solid whites at over 100mph is a pretty dumb thing to do. Kind of serves him right.
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
As always, the Police are out there catching the real criminals. Rolling Eyes.


If they had done him for 70 - 80 on that kind of road then I would agree with you but at that speed he deserved what he got and he got off lightly Exclamation
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

So part of his penalty is losing his livelihood. I guess that'll leave him plenty of time to do his 250 hours community-service. But less money with which to pay the fine.

Still, he did hurt an awful lot of people.
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

He knew what he was doing, 150mph overtakes over solid whites can't be classed as safe riding in anybodies books. He took a risk, he lost, if he knew his job relied on his licence then he was even more stupid to be riding like that in the first place.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
He knew what he was doing, 150mph overtakes over solid whites can't be classed as safe riding in anybodies books. He took a risk, he lost, if he knew his job relied on his licence then he was even more stupid to be riding like that in the first place.


Taking away a man's livelihood for a 'crime' in which there was no victim is obscene.
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PostPosted: 09:47 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
So part of his penalty is losing his livelihood. I guess that'll leave him plenty of time to do his 250 hours community-service. But less money with which to pay the fine.

Still, he did hurt an awful lot of people.


Just because nobody got hurt THIS time then its OK, let him off Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

He deserved it. I'd have bin callin him a "Mental B*stard" if he had flew past me!
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

“horrific” 153mph

Yeah thats fvcking horrific, what was he hanging around for? twist the throttle all the way Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

IanRMartin wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
So part of his penalty is losing his livelihood. I guess that'll leave him plenty of time to do his 250 hours community-service. But less money with which to pay the fine.

Still, he did hurt an awful lot of people.


Just because nobody got hurt THIS time then its OK, let him off Rolling Eyes


The issue is one of deterrence, is it not? Which could be achieved by handing out a fixed five-year sentence (rising by scale) in any case of an accident that caused physical injury to an innocent third-party where the speeder was exceeding the limit by a given percentage (not hard to establish given current technology and investigative procedures). If somebody knows he's going to get at least five years, even for a victim having as little as a bruise, I think that would keep speeding responsible in the majority of cases.

Penalising people in such draconian ways, where there are no victims, is obscene.
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

So he was doing over 150 past the copper who only had to get up to speeds of 120 to catch him?????

Sounds like another case of laser devices that haven't been tested on bikes screwing up readings again.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
As always, the Police are out there catching the real criminals. Rolling Eyes.


^ this +1

Were any kittens harmed?..... No i did`nt think so!

alegedly 153mph?.
Now thats to fast for me but hey each to thier own.
maybe the plod did need to slow him down and speak to him.

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So he was doing over 150 past the copper who only had to get up to speeds of 120 to catch him?????

Sounds like another case of laser devices that haven't been tested on bikes screwing up readings again.


^^ This +1
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

plugger147 wrote:
So he was doing over 150 past the copper who only had to get up to speeds of 120 to catch him?????

Sounds like another case of laser devices that haven't been tested on bikes screwing up readings again.


Police bike got me at 128mph... fail as im driving a restricted import car at 112mph.

Although...the punishment for the crime, slightly stupid, ive done around that speed before once or twice, it never felt unsafe to me, especially on an open 3 lane empty motorway. Bit harsh on the guy
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biker doing 150 = Dangerous, horrific with catastrophic consequences.

Copper doing 150 = Highly trained safe superhuman with catlike reflexes.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

reminds me of the time i got pulled on my ns125 ...


You must have been doing 100+mph because i was doing 120 to catch you ...

yeah ok i was in 5th gear doing 75-80 ish
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:

The issue is one of deterrence, is it not? Which could be achieved by handing out a fixed five-year sentence (rising by scale) in any case of an accident that caused physical injury to an innocent third-party where the speeder was exceeding the limit by a given percentage (not hard to establish given current technology and investigative procedures). If somebody knows he's going to get at least five years, even for a victim having as little as a bruise, I think that would keep speeding responsible in the majority of cases.

Penalising people in such draconian ways, where there are no victims, is obscene.


Very true deterrence is the name of the game and i like the idea if it could be implemented properly.

However regardless of the law and its penalities some people will always do what ever the hell they like, these people don't think about the consequences. I can't help but feel at that speed he is more likely to be that kind of character.

It could equally have been a single mental lapse when he thought lets see how fast i can go just this once, rather than a regularly doing that sort of speed. (If one is any better than the other?)

We all have to obey the law whether we like it or not and if we chose not, then we run the risk of getting caught.

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PostPosted: 11:27 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its just this countrys fixation with speed kills. As I've said before I've done well over 150 on the autobahns in Germany and the same on the motorways in UK. One is perfectly safe and legal, the other is horrendously dangerous and a prison sentence Question

Same bike, same rider and actually better roads in the UK as the autobahn was 2 lane, not 3.

Dangerous driving should be dangerous driving, not speeding.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't state anywhere about video evidence, if he had simply played dumb I expect he'd have gotten away with it. Unless i'm reading it wrong.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wilson123 wrote:
He's an idiot for doing 150 on roads like that when he needs his licence for his job + he's an idiot for pulling over when he saw flashing blues at 150 Confused

Harsh punishment though, fucking pigs Confused


You did 160 on a learner licence of your dads bike Wink
Hes not an idiot for pulling over... maybe he saw sense, they had his plate anyway.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:


The issue is one of deterrence, is it not? Which could be achieved by handing out a fixed five-year sentence (rising by scale) in any case of an accident that caused physical injury to an innocent third-party where the speeder was exceeding the limit by a given percentage (not hard to establish given current technology and investigative procedures). If somebody knows he's going to get at least five years, even for a victim having as little as a bruise, I think that would keep speeding responsible in the majority of cases.

Penalising people in such draconian ways, where there are no victims, is obscene.


That is what driving without due care and attention is for!
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Its just this countrys fixation with speed kills. As I've said before I've done well over 150 on the autobahns in Germany and the same on the motorways in UK. One is perfectly safe and legal, the other is horrendously dangerous and a prison sentence Question

Same bike, same rider and actually better roads in the UK as the autobahn was 2 lane, not 3.

Dangerous driving should be dangerous driving, not speeding.

Normally I would totally agree with you, but (as I understood it) it seems that this wasn't an autobahn or a motorway, he passed junctions and farm entrances, and also he overtook on the brow of a hill.

It wouldn't bother me in the least if he was doing 153 safely, which I think is perfectly possible to do, but unfortunately it doesn't sound like he was. While the charge might be speeding, it should actually be dangerous driving.

The fact that he *didn't* actually harm anyone means that a prison sentence was a bit harsh, imo, but he still does deserve some punishment.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rider was being an absolute idiot.

North Wales. Undulating road with limited visability. Bank Holiday traffic. Crossing solid white line.

At what point was this not going to be a licence losing situation, and from his reported reaction he knew it when he was pulled.

Ride appropriately to the hazards that are present, including unmarked Police Bikes in traffic.

Yeah he has lost his job, which is harsh but out of the range of possible consequences it really isnt that bad.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 15 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Its just this countrys fixation with speed kills. As I've said before I've done well over 150 on the autobahns in Germany and the same on the motorways in UK. One is perfectly safe and legal, the other is horrendously dangerous and a prison sentence Question

Same bike, same rider and actually better roads in the UK as the autobahn was 2 lane, not 3.

Dangerous driving should be dangerous driving, not speeding.


Sure, but overtaking over solid whites at that speed on a single lane 60mph road with farm entrances / bumpy road isn't the same thing as doing the same speed on a flat, straight fairly quiet autobahn.

Speed doesn't kill, complacency kills often in combination with inappropriate speed, and I'd say this rider was doing a pretty inappropriate speed for the type of road described.

Makes me laugh when bikers try to justify this by whining on and on; "no one was killed so why was he bothered by the police" / "why don't the cops go and catch real criminals" etc.

Do you honestly think the roads would be a safe place to travel if the only traffic law was; "Basically guys, do what the hell you want, at whatever speed you want, under whatever circumstances and conditions. We don’t care if you treat your bike and the road as a realistic video game... just try not to kill anyone or we’ll do you, thanks". It would be fucking carnage.

And Hetzer, it shouldn't make a shade of difference if you earn a living as a driver. If can't do the time, don't do the crime.
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