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Ben.
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 Posted: 12:34 - 28 Oct 2010  Post subject: freedom |
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never sacrifice your freedom for the illusion of control.
simple concept that no one follows...
The moral of killing one to save millions is just. There is no credible argument of why it isnt a good idea. Even if the one you have to kill is Jesus... so what if he's a good person, there will be millions of good people you will save. Obviously you have to factor in things like killing one person to save 100 horrible people, probably not a good idea... but thats why you were given a brain, each case is completely different and there should be no guidelines. Take each case as it comes, but to simply say: any form of killing is wrong, is idiotic.
Freedom relates to this concept, I am not willing to cause inconvenience to the majority to save a minority. No I shouldn't have to be stripped searched to get on a plane because 1 or 2 terrorists will take over a plane once and a while... If I happen to be on the plane that gets blown up thats fine, granted i wont like the idea, but i am not willing to give up my freedom for the sake of a few people.
I will not sit on the fence with this topic, people who think its perfectly acceptable to give up a freedom in the hope it may protect them from something are idiots.
Happiness and sorrow go hand in hand.
I am not saying anarchy is the way forward... I am simply saying we need to wake up and realise some things are dangerous. Flying, driving and gun ranges are dangerous. I should not have to give up freedom to partake in a dangerous activity. If you dont like the danger dont partake. If your scared of shoe bombs dont get on a fucking plane, if you think sky diving is dangerous dont jump out the fucking plane, you shouldnt be demanding that every plane should only fly at 10 feet encase something goes wrong.
Its too late to do anything now, might as well play the system as best you can, the mass are too self centred to take a hit for the greater good. They are too scared that they might be the one that fucks it up and causes harm, so instead they will demand everyone should be in a position where no one can fuck up, and to do this we need to give up a freedom.
No one cares until it slaps them in the face, by this time its too late.
It already is too late.
When they came for the Jews, I did nothing, for I am not a Jew. When they came for the Socialists, I did nothing, for I am not a Socialist. When they came for the labor leaders, the homosexuals, the gypsies, I did nothing, for I am none of these, and when they came for me, I was alone, there was no one to stand up for me. -- Martin Niemoller, a Lutheran pastor from Nazi Germany
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SirEdward
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Posted: 12:57 - 28 Oct 2010  Post subject: |
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Ben,
would you sacrifice 980 million Consumers for the sake of advancement of the Human species past the status quo? 
Why would we want eight billion people, when we can have them replaced with automated processes under supervision of highly skilled engineers?
On freedom and liberty, I do agree with you.
P.S. Anarchy is an unstable state and thus transitional - the power vacuum in such society would be filled by a self-proclaimed oligarchy with a dictator as their frontman.
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| Posted: 13:27 - 28 Oct 2010 Post subject: |
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Sorry I lost interest when you mentioned this Jesus person 
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Ben.
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| Posted: 16:19 - 28 Oct 2010 Post subject: Re: freedom |
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| Quote: | Where do you draw the line? Killing one to save 1000, 100, 10, 2?
What if the million people all hadn't prepared for what was going to kill them, yet the one person you had to kill had predicted this disaster and tried to warn everyone else?
Not THAT simple, to my mind! |
| Quote: | Obviously you have to factor in things like killing one person to save 100 horrible people, probably not a good idea... but thats why you were given a brain, each case is completely different and there should be no guidelines. Take each case as it comes |
| Quote: | The reality is that I'm sure plenty of times loss of freedoms has saved many lights - for instance when town lights were turned off in the second world war and fake factories/villages set up close by as bombing targets.
Bet you didn't get that many moaning about loss of freedoms. |
This is what i meant by anarchy is not the way forward, sure some rules and regulations need to be in place.
| Quote: | would you sacrifice 980 million Consumers for the sake of advancement of the Human species past the status quo? |
no, because thats not saving anyone, your talking about sacrifice for progress, sacrafice should only be acceptable in a loss loss situation, not a loss gain situation.
| Quote: | Why would we want eight billion people, when we can have them replaced with automated processes under supervision of highly skilled engineers? |
??bit confused about this one, why do we want human life when it could be replaced by robots? didnt really see where i said that in the post. maybe im miss interpreting.
| Quote: | On freedom and liberty, I do agree with you.
P.S. Anarchy is an unstable state and thus transitional - the power vacuum in such society would be filled by a self-proclaimed oligarchy with a dictator as their frontman. |
this is the political view of anarchy, which would indeed work if tried i believed, i was talking about anarchy in essence, its pure definition.
| Quote: | Why do people think this is such a black and white issue? A world with total "freedom" would be akin to the animal kingdom and most of us wouldn't have made it out of childhood |
as i previously mentioned i think some rules need to be in place, but there should be no set of strict rules, moral guidelines that are open to interpretation and individual cases.
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| Posted: 18:05 - 28 Oct 2010 Post subject: Re: freedom |
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no, because thats not saving anyone, your talking about sacrifice for progress, sacrafice should only be acceptable in a loss loss situation, not a loss gain situation.
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Lets say it this way: there is no peaceful way those 980 million people are going to accept VERY low standards of living, compared to what they have today. If we don't get 'rid' of them, humanity is at a loss and status quo remains, or worse. Loss/loss as per your criteria. 
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??bit confused about this one, why do we want human life when it could be replaced by robots? didnt really see where i said that in the post. maybe im miss interpreting. |
You are indeed correct, 'robots' serving man for the advancement of the Human species. You'd be required to study all of the sciences in such society, among other things.
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