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Jon-W
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Excessive car tyre wear Reply with quote

Hi all,

God a bit of a strange problem with Excessive tyre wear on the rear nearside of my vectra - Perhaps someone here can give me some advice.

When I bought the car about 3 years ago from vauxhall (network q used car) the inside edge of the rear tyre was worn down to the canvas whilst the rest of the tyre had plenty of tread. I consequently got the camber, cast and alignment done and got some new tyres fitted but the problem has not been cured.

Anyone have any ideas on the next step to sort this?

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PostPosted: 13:11 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I would recheck those things first. While loads of things might cause wear most would do so by screwing up the alignments.

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PostPosted: 13:12 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Various bits of suspension are worn out.
My brother's mondeo was doing this - after about 40,000 miles on originals he replaced them and was shocked they wore one side in 5,000 miles.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ideally I need a bit more detail, are the alloys standard? Are the shocks the originals? Are the wishbones original? Wear on one edge of a tyre tends to point to the geometry of the suspension or wheel having been altered from the original.

If you think of the wishbone of a car as a door being held open by a spring (the shock), if you change the length of the spring or the distance of the wheel from the hinge then you change the angle at which the tyre is contacting the road.

HTH

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PostPosted: 13:15 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea - I would agree but it cost me about £50 last time. I have been told it could be a shock absorber problem. Apparantly a lot of the Vectra C's suffer the same problem.

When standing next to the car and looking down on the wheel arch the wheel appears to slope inwards into the wheel arch..again dont know if thats normal.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the tracking Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

the grim reaper wrote:
Ideally I need a bit more detail, are the alloys standard? Are the shocks the originals? Are the wishbones original? Wear on one edge of a tyre tends to point to the geometry of the suspension or wheel having been altered from the original.

If you think of the wishbone of a car as a door being held open by a spring (the shock), if you change the length of the spring or the distance of the wheel from the hinge then you change the angle at which the tyre is contacting the road.

HTH

Cheers

Grim


Yep all of the wheels are the ones that shipped with the car, The car had the upgraded wheel package fitted in the factory - They are alloys and at 18" I believe.
I bought the car with 28k on it and the tyres were already showing signs of wear then..The car now has about 75k on it and the problem still remains.

Everything is standard on the car..Nothing has been uprated/upgraded or changed.

The tracking was also done and found to be fine!
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sounds like it has negative camber, at least on that wheel. Is the other side the same?

I would doubt the shock would cause it. However various suspension bushes wearing would allow the geometry to go out. Most would be measurable when checking the cars geometry when static. Some might just allow the geometry to go out when under load such as when driving.

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PostPosted: 13:21 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Driving over a kerb or hitting a big(ish) pothole can knock the tracking out Thumbs Up

Although I suspect it will be a suspension issue in this case Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paxovasa wrote:
Check the tracking Thumbs Up


Contrary to popular belief, geometry is far more likely to cause tyre edge wear than tracking, tracking accelerates tyre wear across the whole tyre unless it's hideously out then it could wear the edges.

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PostPosted: 13:23 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Sounds like it has negative camber, at least on that wheel. Is the other side the same?

I would doubt the shock would cause it. However various suspension bushes wearing would allow the geometry to go out. Most would be measurable when checking the cars geometry when static. Some might just allow the geometry to go out when under load such as when driving.

All the best

Keith


Yep the other side looks similar but not as bad. Intrestingly I have had issue with creaking and cracking sounds coming from both the front and back suspensions before...Seems to come and go though. Asked vauxhall to check it when it went in for a service and they said nothing was wrong...

I initially thought the problem could have been caused by the tracking being out before i got the car and vauxhall putting the front wheels on the back to hide the problem whilst it was in their showroom.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whenever I follow a vectra i notice the rear camber is really high and it looks like the wheels are folding in.

From what you've described and a quick google on "vectra negative camber" shows up common problems.

Your £50 you spent on alignment wouldn't have touched the problem as they would have worked on the front end.

Springs on vectras are renowned for being crap, so it wouldn't surprise me if your back end is sagging and throwing the suspension out.

You purchased a car fron Vauxhall with a bald tyre, yet you still took it back to Vauxhall for a check and their advice . .
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

cagiva gezzer wrote:
Whenever I follow a vectra i notice the rear camber is really high and it looks like the wheels are folding in.

From what you've described and a quick google on "vectra negative camber" shows up common problems.

Your £50 you spent on alignment wouldn't have touched the problem as they would have worked on the front end.

Springs on vectras are renowned for being crap, so it wouldn't surprise me if your back end is sagging and throwing the suspension out.

You purchased a car fron Vauxhall with a bald tyre, yet you still took it back to Vauxhall for a check and their advice . .


very helpfull thanks a lot mate - I will investigate. Cheers everyone. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jack the car up on the lower rear arm( not the jack points) and give the wheel a good shake with your hands in the 12 to 6 position. I see alot of vectras at work with rear tyres worn out due to top Suspension bushes being worn out on the upper arm, and they can be hard to spot because garages normally use a two post ramp to lift the car,which leaves the rear suspension Not in it's normal state.
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon-W wrote:

Yep the other side looks similar but not as bad. Intrestingly I have had issue with creaking and cracking sounds coming from both the front and back suspensions before...Seems to come and go though. Asked vauxhall to check it when it went in for a service and they said nothing was wrong...


Have a look on the Vectra C forum for details on this. I had a Vectra C (incidentally the worst car Ive ever owned) and had no end of trouble with the suspension. It is by far the cheapest, worst designed part of the car for sure and has countless problems.

The creaking at a standstill is sometimes caused by the springs being incorrectly seated at the bottom. This can be lessened by fitting rubber boots around the bottom of the spring and greasing the pan thing they sit on really well. Otherwise you're pretty much stuck with it as the common opinion is that its the spring shifting around, hence why it might do it sometimes and not others.

Mine had an undiagnosable rattle on the front drivers side that 3 independant garages couldnt find. It sounded a lot like track rod ends but would only really do it when setting off and then over bumps. It also managed to somehow warp both rear tyres, which Ive never had before. You can stop reading now if you like but for a prospective vectra owners hers the list of problems I had with mine:

Warped tyres
Noise radiator suspension mounts
Miraculous leak into the boot (apparently very common, was even told to drill a hole for it to drain!)
Both electric wing mirrors packed up
Constant clogging of the windscreen jets
Fractured rear nearside spring
Shattered drivers side front spring, in a staright line at 40mph, resulting in knackered tyre and one seriously ruined new years eve.
Shattered passenger side front spring which occurred overnight whilst stationary. Managed to snap a drop link at the same time.
Phantom warnings for faulty bulbs.
An obsession with going into safe mode on the motorway

Theres probably a few more but I can't remember just now, all reasons why I wouldnt touch a vauxhall again. I had all these problems after 2 years of ownership and only 12k miles. Thumbs Down

Anyway, check out the Vectra C forum, for some reason they love them despite the problems. Vauxhall are a bit creaky themselves when it comes to the problems with the shitty suspension but good luck with the dealers anyway!
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a suspension bush has perished changing your suspension geometry.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea I too have had warped rear tyres on more than one occasion. I have also had water collect in the bottom of the rear lights, which eventually turns to moss/mold. Also the front near side fog light misting up and yes blocked washer jets..broken wiper linkage (on more than one occasion) and when it was raining!

The above aside i still think its a nice car to own and drive and looks nice..despite the faults!
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was the biggest shame really, was a really nice car to drive when it wasnt in the garage!

When I went to see the vectra for the first time it was a toss up between that and a TDCI mondeo that they had too. I went for the vectra and had a shedload of problems. My dads mate bought the mondeo and it ran fine for 30k until it got the dual mass flywheel problem. Think I was destined to lose either way, maybe gods way of telling me to go back to hot hatches!!
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