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Tailwinds?
Drafting other cars?
There may be a slight incline that is barely perceptible?
Are you always passing the same points in the same order? The bike may not be sufficiently warmed up on the A442 but by the time you get to the motorway it may be warmed?
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| Paulington wrote: | Tailwinds?
Drafting other cars?
There may be a slight incline that is barely perceptible?
Are you always passing the same points in the same order? The bike may not be sufficiently warmed up on the A442 but by the time you get to the motorway it may be warmed?
So many possible answers.  . |
Always warm (A good 10 minute ride) before I hit a442 and sometimes I dont even ride her 5 mins before I jump on the motorway.
I've achieved these speeds consistently with no cars present which eliminates drafting.
trust me when I say the inclines arent affecting it that much.
on a clear slight uphill on the motorway I average 72mph indicated
but on the A442, I can get to 60... but then she slows down and I have to put her into fourth to get back to 65.
Happens both ways of motorway and the A442. At some parts of the 442 I can get to 70... JUST. then I lose it. |
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Could it be because the throttle is held fully open a lot longer on the M'way than on the A road....
As your tyre heats up it will expand. Thus your indicated speed should drop as the rolling radius increases.
But only by a very little bit
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| spannermonkey91 wrote: | | Acemastr wrote: | Different road types have different rolling resistance, i used to find this on the A428 near me, going one way i could go faster than the other |
surely nearly 20mph difference is too much for just rollin resistance to be accounted. |
It does seem a bit dramatic, but if all factors work against, its possible.
One thing in normal tarmac roads is the camber. Bikes steer by leaning, so if the road is actually banked under the wheel, it tries to climb, consequently to hold a straight line you steer away from the camber, the result is you go in a straight line, but with a lot of tyre scrub.
Might be worth trying, but camber has the road higher in the middle, so if you lean the bike a tad towards the verge by leaning towards the white line, you should bring the contact patch perpendicular to the surface & get it to track true without scrub, hence see a speed increase.
However, windage effects and very smallincline differences I suspect may be the more significant cause... seem to recall that the M54 / A5 iether side of telford is significantlt levelled & runs through cuttings tending to protect against a lot of wind.
Also area isn't very flat, & with the road levelling they have & havn't done around there suspect that some sections probably aren't as flat as they look.
OS maps show contour lines that can display it, but it comes up quite strikingly on Memor Map when I engage 3D modelling.
Can you give me some better location data Spanner, & I'll pul upp the terrain models for the two locations & we can see how flat they really are. ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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| spannermonkey91 wrote: | | Teflon-Mike wrote: | Can you give me some better location data Spanner, & I'll pul upp the terrain models for the two locations & we can see how flat they really are. |
the m54 is my main motorway I get the high speed at...
And the a442 between trench lock island to telford central is where I have most of my troubles |
Is this the section?
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/XX-Forum%20Posts/Telford.jpg
I've turned the verticle exageration up to x4, so the ground scale is true, but the contours are bigger than in real life, so that you can see the subtleties in the contours more easily.
Theres a few ripples on that section of M54 in view, but they aren't that tall or long, makes them look spikier.
A442 seems to be going over a hill. Its following the contours around the big hill to the west of Telford, but while its following them, its also going over a rise.
Also looks like sections between roundabouts aren't that long, or the road all THAT straight.
How much does it take to wind the thing up from 60 to 70?
Could it simply be that you haven't got the length of run to get it up to top wack? ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | Is this the section?
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/XX-Forum%20Posts/Telford.jpg
I've turned the verticle exageration up to x4, so the ground scale is true, but the contours are bigger than in real life, so that you can see the subtleties in the contours more easily.
Theres a few ripples on that section of M54 in view, but they aren't that tall or long, makes them look spikier.
A442 seems to be going over a hill. Its following the contours around the big hill to the west of Telford, but while its following them, its also going over a rise.
Also looks like sections between roundabouts aren't that long, or the road all THAT straight.
How much does it take to wind the thing up from 60 to 70?
Could it simply be that you haven't got the length of run to get it up to top wack? | on the a442 I have More than 8 times the room it takes me to get to full chatter. I cant make out the roads too well on that map haha |
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