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PostPosted: 18:37 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Speed capability on different roads. Reply with quote

This is going to sound wierd...
but why is it my bike (Suzuki GN250) is capable of 75-80 indicated on the flat on the motorway... only slowing to 70mph minimum on uphill gradients
but the minute I jump on the A442 (the bit going through the centre of telford) with a slight gradient, the bike isnt even capable of holding 60? and when I get on the flat on the A442 it will only do 65...
I know it's not mechanics related so I didnt post it in workshop but why is this?
It does it EVERY time and in the SAME places.
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyres need pumping up and they roll a bit better on a smooth motorway?
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tailwinds?

Drafting other cars?

There may be a slight incline that is barely perceptible?

Are you always passing the same points in the same order? The bike may not be sufficiently warmed up on the A442 but by the time you get to the motorway it may be warmed?

So many possible answers. Laughing.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarkJ wrote:
Tyres need pumping up and they roll a bit better on a smooth motorway?

Got it to exactly what manufacturer states. 25psi front, 32 rear. (Used for carryin pillion a lot)
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
Tailwinds?

Drafting other cars?

There may be a slight incline that is barely perceptible?

Are you always passing the same points in the same order? The bike may not be sufficiently warmed up on the A442 but by the time you get to the motorway it may be warmed?

So many possible answers. Laughing.


Always warm (A good 10 minute ride) before I hit a442 and sometimes I dont even ride her 5 mins before I jump on the motorway.
I've achieved these speeds consistently with no cars present which eliminates drafting.
trust me when I say the inclines arent affecting it that much.
on a clear slight uphill on the motorway I average 72mph indicated
but on the A442, I can get to 60... but then she slows down and I have to put her into fourth to get back to 65.
Happens both ways of motorway and the A442. At some parts of the 442 I can get to 70... JUST. then I lose it.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

rob yarrr wrote:
think i've been on that road through telford,my rs50 only like managed 30 D:
Thats terrible... surely you should have got a good 50mph... Unless it was restricted.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could it be because the throttle is held fully open a lot longer on the M'way than on the A road....

As your tyre heats up it will expand. Thus your indicated speed should drop as the rolling radius increases.
But only by a very little bit Laughing
On a M'way. Your tyre temp could drop as its not working as hard, due to less breaking and cornering. Despite higher speeds Confused
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Could it be because the throttle is held fully open a lot longer on the M'way than on the A road....

As your tyre heats up it will expand. Thus your indicated speed should drop as the rolling radius increases.
But only by a very little bit Laughing
On a M'way. Your tyre temp could drop as its not working as hard, due to less breaking and cornering. Despite higher speeds Confused

the a442 bit that goes through telford is a good few miles long of full throttle on the GN.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's like that on a 125, you need the best conditions for the best performance of speed, normally more open roads will be harder to gain the speed due to the wind resistance, some roads I can barely hold 60mph, others I can max out doing 80, others around 71.

To me it comes down to the road surface, weather condition, windage and positioning of the rider.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

EUMP wrote:
It's like that on a 125, you need the best conditions for the best performance of speed, normally more open roads will be harder to gain the speed due to the wind resistance, some roads I can barely hold 60mph, others I can max out doing 80, others around 71.

To me it comes down to the road surface, weather condition, windage and positioning of the rider.

waether conditions dont matter to this bike for some reason. It's very consistent in that sense apart from rediculously strong headwinds.
Seems consistent on most road surfaces too.
I have same issue down a long narrow road in telford that's flat too.
but on a pretty much identical road on the other side of telford I get 75 and still going up till I run out of road.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Different road types have different rolling resistance, i used to find this on the A428 near me, going one way i could go faster than the other
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acemastr wrote:
Different road types have different rolling resistance, i used to find this on the A428 near me, going one way i could go faster than the other

surely nearly 20mph difference is too much for just rollin resistance to be accounted.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

spannermonkey91 wrote:
Acemastr wrote:
Different road types have different rolling resistance, i used to find this on the A428 near me, going one way i could go faster than the other

surely nearly 20mph difference is too much for just rollin resistance to be accounted.

It does seem a bit dramatic, but if all factors work against, its possible.
One thing in normal tarmac roads is the camber. Bikes steer by leaning, so if the road is actually banked under the wheel, it tries to climb, consequently to hold a straight line you steer away from the camber, the result is you go in a straight line, but with a lot of tyre scrub.
Might be worth trying, but camber has the road higher in the middle, so if you lean the bike a tad towards the verge by leaning towards the white line, you should bring the contact patch perpendicular to the surface & get it to track true without scrub, hence see a speed increase.
However, windage effects and very smallincline differences I suspect may be the more significant cause... seem to recall that the M54 / A5 iether side of telford is significantlt levelled & runs through cuttings tending to protect against a lot of wind.
Also area isn't very flat, & with the road levelling they have & havn't done around there suspect that some sections probably aren't as flat as they look.
OS maps show contour lines that can display it, but it comes up quite strikingly on Memor Map when I engage 3D modelling.

Can you give me some better location data Spanner, & I'll pul upp the terrain models for the two locations & we can see how flat they really are.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Can you give me some better location data Spanner, & I'll pul upp the terrain models for the two locations & we can see how flat they really are.

the m54 is my main motorway I get the high speed at...
And the a442 between trench lock island to telford central is where I have most of my troubles
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

spannermonkey91 wrote:
Teflon-Mike wrote:
Can you give me some better location data Spanner, & I'll pul upp the terrain models for the two locations & we can see how flat they really are.

the m54 is my main motorway I get the high speed at...
And the a442 between trench lock island to telford central is where I have most of my troubles

Is this the section?
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/XX-Forum%20Posts/Telford.jpg
I've turned the verticle exageration up to x4, so the ground scale is true, but the contours are bigger than in real life, so that you can see the subtleties in the contours more easily.
Theres a few ripples on that section of M54 in view, but they aren't that tall or long, makes them look spikier.
A442 seems to be going over a hill. Its following the contours around the big hill to the west of Telford, but while its following them, its also going over a rise.
Also looks like sections between roundabouts aren't that long, or the road all THAT straight.
How much does it take to wind the thing up from 60 to 70?
Could it simply be that you haven't got the length of run to get it up to top wack?
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 02 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Is this the section?
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/XX-Forum%20Posts/Telford.jpg
I've turned the verticle exageration up to x4, so the ground scale is true, but the contours are bigger than in real life, so that you can see the subtleties in the contours more easily.
Theres a few ripples on that section of M54 in view, but they aren't that tall or long, makes them look spikier.
A442 seems to be going over a hill. Its following the contours around the big hill to the west of Telford, but while its following them, its also going over a rise.
Also looks like sections between roundabouts aren't that long, or the road all THAT straight.
How much does it take to wind the thing up from 60 to 70?
Could it simply be that you haven't got the length of run to get it up to top wack?
on the a442 I have More than 8 times the room it takes me to get to full chatter. I cant make out the roads too well on that map haha
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 02 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:


That is the coolest map I have ever seen! Thumbs Up Karma
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