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MinhDinh
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 04 Nov 2010    Post subject: Need new tyres for my ZX636! Any recommendations? Cheapest? Reply with quote

So, I was fitting a new tyre cap, a pressure indicator one.

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Then I notice this! Did a trip to Wallsall from Hackney, London and back on Sunday and reached up to 130 and 140 a few times. Maybe that did it, I don't know :o

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I have heard good stuff on Pilot road 2's. Anyone know the cheapest place for it? Or something that you think is better please.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 04 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-top-10s/whithams-five-best-winter-tyres/14795.html

Top 5 Winter tyres.

Dunny Roadsmarts came in top, i have them on the cbr and they are freaking awesome.

Seriously dude, give them a shot. Well worth the £

side note, is that a pirelli that you have buggered there?

Mine done the same on the zxr
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 04 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-top-10s/whithams-five-best-winter-tyres/14795.html

Top 5 Winter tyres.

Dunny Roadsmarts came in top, i have them on the cbr and they are freaking awesome.

Seriously dude, give them a shot. Well worth the £

side note, is that a pirelli that you have buggered there?

Mine done the same on the zxr


Yes Pirelli Diablo Corsa 3's. On them when I bought it. Not bad in the dry, but I wasn't so confident in the wet at all.

The tyre you recommended is pretty good price, but only for winter. I'll see how much a good set for summer is and think about it, because if there is something that can do a good job for both, then it is better for my £ if you know what I mean Smile
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 04 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got myself a Pair of Diablo Supercorsas for the Winter. £60 for a pair of scrubs. Will be interesting to see how they work when the current Qualifier RRs expire in a few hundred miles.


Otherwise, you can find Pirelli Diablo and Diablo stradas going pretty cheap (£80 or so for a rear), and the Stradas in particular are very good for wet Winter conditions.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 04 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had Pilot Power 2CT's on the Monster and they were pretty good, they've been replaced by the Pilot Pure now I think
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 04 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody who says they need anything better than a set of roadsmarts EVEN for spring/summer must enjoy giving their £££ to the respective tyre companies. I wouldn't notice the difference if I had more sporty rubber on my bike to be honest because I won't make use of their flickability or grip. My bike's set up pretty hard so when I'm hooning it, i tend to pick any line and stick with it... For which the roadsmarts give you nothing other than stability and feedback.

The reason WHY i had roadsmarts was also due to the fact I was covering 12k miles each year so it pays to get the longest lasting compound you can get. The carcass and construction is pretty good in comparison to some bike/tyre combinations I've had.

I had a 07 hornet hirebike whilst mine went in for its service yesterday and DESPITE having Avon vipersports, I just couldn't feel for its grip.

Certainly I'd say the roadsmarts will probably calm the flighty nature of the ninja and might be better for it on small A roads/B roads.

But that's just my 2 pence. Got an issue of RIDE when they compared roadsmarts to the GP Racer on the road and the roadsmarts came up on top in terms of lean angles, temperatures across its profile, and subjective rider feedback. They tested both tyres blind.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 04 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Tot wrote:
Anybody who says they need anything better than a set of roadsmarts EVEN for spring/summer must enjoy giving their £££ to the respective tyre companies. I wouldn't notice


You seem to be mistaking everyone else for yourself.

Tyres vary dramatically in terms of grip and ideal operating conditions, and it's not difficult to feel when you're on the bike. I personally don't find that any Dunlops are much cop to be honest. The OEM Qualifier RRs on the Tuono were an exception, but the rear span up on me today at about 40% throttle in a straight line, so they're evidently not all that in the wet despite having a generous tread.

Personally I would never go for anything more hard wearing than something like a pair of 2CTs/Diablos/BT016, and I'd choose something with better displacement and good wet/cold grip for the Winter.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 04 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

i got a set of metzler race techs fucked on the right but loads left in the midle any good to you £40 for the set! front is hardly touched rear is fucked on the right but everware else still has loads left if you want them PM me
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 04 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex A wrote:

Personally I would never go for anything more hard wearing than something like a pair of 2CTs/Diablos/BT016, and I'd choose something with better displacement and good wet/cold grip for the Winter.


That would be the Dunlop Roadsmarts you are talking about then......

Rolling Eyes

I have come from a set of BT020, then to BT016, now im on the Dunnys.

Dunnys ftfw!
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 04 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Dunlops fit that description.

2CTs or Metzeler Sportec M5 Would be my choice of Winter tyre. Both less hard wearing than Roadsmarts or similar.
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 04 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex A wrote:
No Dunlops fit that description.


Is that just personal opinion / experience, or do you know it for a fact?

Cos....

Was riding with a mate along the road in a manic downpour.
He was keeping his distance, a fair bit of it truth be told, from me.

I asked him why, his response was "That rubber is doing its job, cutting through this standing water and shifting it out the back and to the sides so much that i didnt want it in my face"

I really hope that what i quoted you on is based on experience, cos otherwise your POV is redundant....

Not much pisses me off more than people having an opinion on something they dont know about or even tried.

Also, I quote Visordown
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And what Whitham doesn’t know about riding in the wet isn’t worth knowing.


He has given the Dunny the #1 spot, so they must be doing something right.
The M5 came in 5th.
If i was going to make a choice based purely on the "Top 5" I would be sceptical. In all honesty i was when i looking for new rubber, but i can safely say these are the best tyres i have ever had.

The Dunlops are the newest sports touring tyres (they were developed / released after all the others) on the market for this type of weather, where as the other you have mentioned are a bit long in the tooth in comparison.

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PostPosted: 23:18 - 04 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

This topic is so boring now.

Only bad tyres ive had are a set of bt014's which seemed to take an age to warm up.

Everything else has been more than enough.

Will be using a set of Supercorsa scrubs this winter, had a set of Avon Viper supersports last winter, brilliant in the wet.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 04 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right,

I've had Shitstone BT014's on my ZX6R.. Twitchy as sin and they got merked within 2.5k so I weren't happy! Decided to go to 020's and they were like dunlop's first generation of tyres.. a solid piece of vulcanised rubber.. no feedback, no feel, poor warm up times.

Dunslips did have a reputation ages ago but I'd put them bang up there. It depends on your type of riding but for 80% of conditions which most people tend to ride in, then sports touring tyres are the way to go. You're not going to be peg scraping or getting your knee down or sliding the rear out on a london commute now are you! Realistically COME ON!

Personal experience for me would suggest that the roadsmarts have the best "compromise" between feedback/grip and longevity and are competitively priced. People will fight their corner for the Pilot Road 2's and BT023's and rightly so. They're all good tyres.

It's also about finding the right tyre for the characteristics of the bike and your riding style. As i mentioned, I'd consider myself to be a bit of a smooth, unrushed rider where I don't generally flick the bike from side to side much. In which case the dunlops work the best on my blade. If anybody wants to give me 200 quid so that i can test another tyre and change my opinion then go ahead, but as it stands, roadsmarts are the only thing that will grace my bike .. unless i start doing trackdays where it would push the envelope of the tyres.

But get your facts right first Alex. I speak with 2 years of experience of using the tyre on 2 different bikes in rain, shine, snow and I WOULD NOT HAVE ANOTHER TYRE! Unless you cant read properly, the magazines HAVE suggested that they are as good a tyre FOR THE ROAD. I'm not the only person to rave about the roadsmarts but there is substantial evidence out there that you don't really need any more for the road.

There is that philosophy of guys that use track day tyres because they can get them cheap but unless you know a guy that can change your tyres FOC, having to replace a set every 2k miles instead of 7k makes a BIG difference £££wise.
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PostPosted: 01:48 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was always shocked by the state of the tires I've seen people actually claiming to have ridden on here but my lack of two wheel experience must have had a part to play because I thought I had another 3 or 4 weeks on my tires and was planning on replacing them due to them trying to go sideways every time its damp and taking forever to warm up. However when I got home today and stuck the chain through the back wheel I noticed this .....
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guess its time for a new rear for me too Thumbs Down
I was thinking along the lines of roadsmarts or 2CTs just wish they were cheaper (due for 4 car tires also Sick )
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone know the tyres sizes?

A shop that does my MOT and specialises in tyres said that the front is a 65 and I can only get

Avon Vipers VP2 (£220 inc fitting)

or

Bridgestone 014 and back 016 (£235 inc fitting)

Some reason the roadsmarts and pilot road 2's wasn't an option because of the front sizing. Is that correct?
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Specialist Tyre Prats are talking out their collective asses.

I should be running a 160/60/17 on the rear of the cbr, how ever for the miles i do i have opted for a 170/60/17.

I reckon that you can get away with a 120/70/17 on the front and a 160/60/17 on the back, possibly a 170/60.



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PostPosted: 13:52 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I got a 160/60/17 roadsmart stuck on this morning and almost immediately had the opportunity to use it in the wet. I was taking it fairly easy as it's new rubber in the rain but noticed that it was a vast improvement over the d208, how much of that was down to the d208 being fucked I don't know but I have had so many slides on them I'm glad to see the back of that tire.
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have Pirelli Angels ST on my CBR, the two compound sports touring tyres the big names are making atm.

I like them, the angel pattern is gay but wears off pretty quick, had no twitchiness or lack of grip even in the pi$$ing rain.

They get my Thumbs Up .
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyre sizes on your B1 should be 120/70/17 on the front and 180/55/17 rear.

I liked the Viper VP2's.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

evoboy wrote:
Tyre sizes on your B1 should be 120/70/17 on the front and 180/55/17 rear.

I liked the Viper VP2's.


Front should be 120/65/17. Wink
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Mr Everything is right. Just did MCN search.

I asked the tyre company why I can't fit another size and they said insurance will be invalid.

Corsa's are too soft and won't last, so I am debating Avon's or Bridgestone's.

Anyone know what will be the best on the road and last a decent amount of time?

https://www.national.co.uk/motorcycletyres-size-search.aspx?Width=120&Profile=65&Diameter=17&Fitment=Front&SpeedRating=0
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

WTF! Your insurance will not be invalid.

Dude, really, get a grip and get them, dunnys in a 120/70/17 on the front and 180/55/17 rear.

Stop being a.....

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PostPosted: 18:21 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

NSFW.... Evil or Very Mad

erm ive never had a problem with Pirelli Angel ST in the wet or dry, some have been known to last for MILES!
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 05 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr.Everready wrote:
evoboy wrote:
Tyre sizes on your B1 should be 120/70/17 on the front and 180/55/17 rear.

I liked the Viper VP2's.


Front should be 120/65/17. Wink


It SHOULD be, but its just easier to get them in a 120/70.
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