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PostPosted: 11:07 - 23 Mar 2009    Post subject: How the Ninja 250 should have been? Reply with quote

https://tyga-performance.com/site/index.php?cPath=73_790

https://tyga-performance.com/zxr250/zfrontrighttop.jpg

https://tyga-performance.com/zxr250/zrearright.jpg

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PostPosted: 11:17 - 23 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still looks crap.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 23 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not the looks thats the issue, its the power or lack of , in that the old CBR250 the IL4 4T one made 34bhp , with an extra 10 years development I think they could have gotten 40-45 bhp out of the 250R and reduced its weight, as a CB500 , no a CB400 out guns the 250R.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 23 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
in that the old CBR250 the IL4 4T one made 34bhp


It was a claimed 45hp I think (just you had to rev the knackers off it to get that).

Problem is that the little Ninja is aimed at the 33hp market. No need for a 4 to get that much power, not point to getting more power as their target market couldn't ride it and nobody would want to pay the extra for a higher quality 4 cylinder bike (after all if the only difference between a 250 and a 600 is that the 250 is a bit smaller then the costs to build them would be pretty much the same).

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PostPosted: 11:26 - 23 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Its not the looks thats the issue, its the power or lack of , in that the old CBR250 the IL4 4T one made 34bhp , with an extra 10 years development I think they could have gotten 40-45 bhp out of the 250R and reduced its weight, as a CB500 , no a CB400 out guns the 250R.


The bike above is the inline 4 one.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 23 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get why that company is called Tyga Performance, yet they mostly do (very good) body kits and styling.

Shouldn't they be called Tyga Aesthetics?
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 23 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

skluff wrote:
Don't get why that company is called Tyga Performance, yet they mostly do (very good) body kits and styling.

Shouldn't they be called Tyga Aesthetics?


There are some performance parts , ie bits to reduce weight, or their incredibly expensive airboxes and stuff jap4performance has more of the performance bits to save a few grammes here and there....

Infact that reminds me in that there used to be a post on here about somebody who had full acess to casting molding milling and lathe facilities and managed to shave about 30 kilos off an RGV250 AND boost its power.

An RGV250 is 135 kilos dry! , trim 30 kilos off that and it is a monster.

https://bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=95858
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 23 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks the dogs danglies.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 23 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sort out the lights,

I don't like it because the anciliaries look cheap! I prefer the look of my old 250.

42bhp was fun to play with when it was really light
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 23 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fahd wrote:
Itchy wrote:
Its not the looks thats the issue, its the power or lack of , in that the old CBR250 the IL4 4T one made 34bhp , with an extra 10 years development I think they could have gotten 40-45 bhp out of the 250R and reduced its weight, as a CB500 , no a CB400 out guns the 250R.


The bike above is the inline 4 one.


Oh my God, it's even worse then. They've ruined a future classic.

It looks utterly awful. Like Titz, I also prefer the standard ZXR250 panels.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 23 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think kawasaki should put that fairing on the Ninja 250 and the set of Usd's with just a single front disc and a radial 4pot caliper fitted, for next years bike. Ok so a trick alloy beam frame would have been nice, but the 33bhp Ninja cannot justify that kind of expense to make and the price tag it would have. Look at the current CBR125, it looks more CBR than the original, and is much better for it. If Kawasaki could make the Ninja 250 look just like the 08-09 ZX6R without going too OTT with the spec, then they would have the 250cc sportsbike market all to themselves, unless Yamaha do make an YZF R250 for next season?
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 23 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I think kawasaki should put that fairing on the Ninja 250 and the set of Usd's with just a single front disc and a radial 4pot caliper fitted, for next years bike. Ok so a trick alloy beam frame would have been nice, but the 33bhp Ninja cannot justify that kind of expense to make and the price tag it would have. Look at the current CBR125, it looks more CBR than the original, and is much better for it. If Kawasaki could make the Ninja 250 look just like the 08-09 ZX6R without going too OTT with the spec, then they would have the 250cc sportsbike market all to themselves, unless Yamaha do make an YZF R250 for next season?


What's the point of fitting it with USD forks and a radial caliper apart from tart factor?

The bikes are selling like hotcakes so increasing the production cost of it makes no sense from a business point of view.
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PostPosted: 00:57 - 24 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bike looks wank, the plastics and the paint job look poor quality and cheap. It also looks squashed and flabby.
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 24 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the current 250 is just right for the market it is aimed at, all be it I would rather have a full power RS125!

The 250 is not meant to be super fast, and adding trick bits would just over expense and complicate things.
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 24 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 23:57 - 24 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bike that this kit is for is our u.k. named ZXR250.

I was talking about the new 08> Ninja 250 twin. I do understand that it was never meant to be a serious 250cc sportsbike, but im just saying that for another £300 or so on the list price that the big K could have made it's spec a fair bit better. The 125cc sportsbike market is totally image led and USD forks, decent brakes and proper big sportsbike looks are a given and required formula to get plenty of sales.

The other thing is that if Yamaha do release a YZF R250 then you can bet it will be far more sporty and look and probably handle alot better than the Ninja.

PB did a comparison between the new Ninja 250 and the last great kawasaki 250cc sportsbike: The KR1S. Obviously the KR1S kills the Ninja on spec and performance, but it doesnt do everything better or as well as the Ninja. PB Said the new 250cc Kwak is fun and the 32bhp lump goes ok for what it is, but they would really love the bike if it had a higher spec chassis and running gear, to make even better use of the available performance.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 25 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mate thinks that my TZR will be slower than a Ninja 250 Shocked
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PostPosted: 01:29 - 25 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

My old ZXR250 was worthy of the ninja name. It's like a 4 stroke equivalent to the KR1S, same brakes and suspension (fully adjsutable at the front and preload at and rebound at the back). Speedo cable broke but indicated 95mph on the cycle speedo. It used to run rings in the twisties because it was so light. The engine DID have character. It revved to 18krpm and had a distinct powerband and IL4 rush. It made chasing bigger bikes fun! I'm not going to whore more pics of my old bike, but i wish Tyga didn't bother trying to make an classic looking ZXR into something that it's NOT. The mirrors look like mickey mouse ear, the lights look cheap and disproportionate! I really miss my old ZXR250. I reckon i'll be quicker in the twisties on it corner speed-wise than my blade. But the ninja 250 does not even hold a candle to the ZXR250!
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 25 Mar 2009    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
My mate thinks that my TZR will be slower than a Ninja 250 Shocked


Years ago Bike magazine road tested the ZZR250 with an Aprilia AF1 as they were about the same performance. Think the ZZR is quicker than the new 250 Ninja, and a TZR250 would leave the AF1 for dead.

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PostPosted: 07:18 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 10:40 - 23 Mar 2009 Post subject:
Don't get why that company is called Tyga Performance, yet they mostly do (very good) body kits and styling.

Shouldn't they be called Tyga Aesthetics?


This is why:https://tyga-performance.com/site/product_info.php?cPath=72_791_859&products_id=1788



https://racingorder.com/wp-content/gallery/tyga-ninja-250r-exhaust-review/ninja-250r-tyga-exhaust-dyno-results-vs-stock.jpg
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Re: How the Ninja 250 should have been? Reply with quote

Fahd wrote:

How the Ninja 250 should have been?


Cheaper.
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