Who is at fault?

[The Artist]

I know this is bike related, I know this is also a video and I know it may have been posted before but I want to know what the BCF masses thinks about this.

Who is at fault and explain why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JpoS5OUGdI

[Shaun]

You can't see enough of what happened to tell.

If the biker had just been braking, then the car drivers. However, when the bike comes into view it looks like he's drifting to the left suggesting he may have just changed lanes in front of the car.

So, in conclusion, it's impossible to tell from that footage.

[dragstaar]

judging by the angle of the bike, it looks like the rider has changed lanes. Makes sense, because if he had, then the van would have been in his blindspot. So if he didnt do a lifesaver...

[Howling TerrorOutOfOffice]

Looks like the biker cut into the inside lane. Car swerved and braked..hit bike.
50/50
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[The Artist]

To me it looks like the biker was pulling into the hard shoulder without seeing or even looking for the car. Car driver probably wasn't paying full attention either.

[Nexus Icon]

Agree that it's impossible to tell for sure but it almost looks as though the bike engine has broken, the rate of decelleration is so fierce for the traffic conditions. It would also explain why the bike was veering quickly to the left.

Alternatively, the van may have been accelerating to undertake the bike and got lost in the biker's blind-spot.

Who knows?
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[loply]

The bike is heading for the hard shoulder.

He's not trying to straighten up on the inside lane which he has just moved into, he's heading right across it.

Could only imagine he has some mechanical problem.
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[Carl_steveo]

From what I can see I'm inclined to say possibly the bikers fault. It looks like he is changing lane with poor obs. But on the flip side the car driver could have had better obs aswell. It's a tricky one. Notice how the male policeman didn't bother rushing down either. Lazy cnut.
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[loply]

This is the frame before the impact occurs, at the speed he's moving and the angle he'd never straighten up inside that lane, definitely going for the hard shoulder.
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[Raffles]

[scorps]

only because I know, I can now clear the matter up, the biker admitted it was his fault and has declared he will not ride again. I cant quite remember exactly what he said he was doing to get hit but he had pulled in front of the van without paying proper attention.
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[The Artist]

[ian789]

I think this was on one of those police shows with an interview with the rider. Can't remember what they said.

[ian789]

[ian789]

Spoiler Alert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt_hy4mkc7k&feature=related

At 2:40 he describes what happened.

[MarJay]

[MarkJ]

I'm sure I heard somewhere he was going to stop in the layby to tell police of an accident down the road or something. But I watched that TV programme on TV and thought I'd heard this information off it, so must have just been a comment on Youtube or something

[Mac_Black]

As I see it theres blame to be placed on both parties,
The bike was merging into the inside lane and as we've established intending to join the lay-by.
Had he not made his move across the inside lane at (for the sake of argument)...
This late stage then the accident would not have happened,
Can't rule out observations or a lifesaver check but obviously it didn't occur right before his changing lanes.
For my money a mirror check may have taken a place, I'm going to go along with the car being in the blind spot.

As far as the estate is concerned, their observations really were not that sharp at all.
They were driving at excessive speed considering the car pulling out and traffic up ahead,
This is clear and can be evidenced when watching the speed of the other vehicles up ahead and around him.
Had anything else pulled out from the lay-by (even in good time) then I highly doubt the Estate driver would have his wits about him,
A collision would be pretty much inevitable and everyone would be much worse off as a result.
I would say that it appears he was attempting an undertaking maneuver,
It's hard to tell whether he was about to cut the bike up anyway or just swerved into the middle lane to avoid a collision.

Blame= 75% Driver (Inappropriate speed, carelessness and lack of observation) 25% Biker (Lack of/or failed observation, late maneuver).

[MonkeyKnuckle]

[dragstaar]

yup, he says he was slowing down to go into the layby. The other clips in that film are horrendous too. Esp the rider who gets rearended at speed whilst waiting to merge onto a roundabout. People like that need to be fucking lynched, te he cunts