is 1300 a good price for a 2001 nsr

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

I suspect the split exhaust port makes the NSR a tad less prone to cold seizures and gives the rings an easier life. However the first of those is fixed by not thrashing it from cold and the second by changing the rings when required.

The Mito engine is basically quite tough if correctly assembled. The only real problem is getting the sare parts through.

The other problem is that the RS and Mito are more adjustable as standard (ie, ignition timing on the Mito and older RS, power valve on the Mito, compression ratio on both of them) which makes it far easier for someone to cock up an engine rebuild.

I really don't think that a properly maintained and looked after RS is any worse than an NSR that is properly maintained and looked after. However it may well cost more to maintain the RS, but then it does produce around 15% more power as standard.

All the best

Keith
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NSR125-Kid-UK · Attention Whore Joined: 03 May 2003 Karma :

All I'm after is a nice easy going 125 that looks good and has NSR written on it Smile

. I suspect it being a two stroke will complicate things (more maintenance - i need to look at the mechanical pages on nsr125.com), so i could do without the extra hassle Smile

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The BeefMeister · Crazy Courier Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Karma :

I was flicking through a bike magazine and notice that the BHP on the RS50 and the NSR125R are the same.

NSR125-Kid-UK · Attention Whore Joined: 03 May 2003 Karma :

You weren't reading Two Wheels Only were you?

I'm not sure about the manufacturing, because NSR's are made in Italy as well. Probably just the design philosophy i.e. more power at the expense of reliability.
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Scotty · Scooter Boi Joined: 31 Jul 2002 Karma :

An RS50 makes 12bhp.
Well thats news to me. The NSR in its full power state creates about 23-25bhp at the real wheel.
Where as the Mito , RS probably make 28-32bhp at the rear wheel.

None of them standard make over 33bhp.
Or so i think...
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The BeefMeister · Crazy Courier Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Karma :

Erm...Yeah it was Two Wheels Only.

I haven't got a clue where the NSR was built. If it was in Italy then it can't be that. Confused

It's probably like you lot say the build quality.
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NSR125-Kid-UK · Attention Whore Joined: 03 May 2003 Karma :

I raced an RS50 and lost Confused

I was on a crappy restricted scoot at the time though lol.
He can wait till i get my NSR and i'll beast him Very Happy

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Scotty · Scooter Boi Joined: 31 Jul 2002 Karma :

NSR's are built in Italy, mine even has the little sticker to prove it don't you know.
And orginally on the tank was loads of warnings in italian.

Till it flew off some where. Dont as how, why i could miss a piece of fairing flying off infront of me, because i don't know.

I imagine the parts are shipped from japan though? maybe...
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The BeefMeister · Crazy Courier Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Karma :

The RS50 stated must be derestriced if its at 12bhp. Hard to believe but standard it wouldnt be doing 65mph.

When I bought mine it was already derestriced and did 65mph and thought it was putting out about 9bhp. Most standard peds put out something like 3-5bhp. Laughing

Might not sound a lot but a lot of 50's can shift!

That was 2003 model that was listed with all the stats. Mine is a 2000 model.
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Scotty · Scooter Boi Joined: 31 Jul 2002 Karma :

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hi

The NSR was designed and originall built in Italy (although they moved production to Spain). On the early bikes the lights (CEV), carb (Dellorto), suspension (Marzocchi) and brakes (Grimeca) at least are Italian. Suspect most of the rest of the bike was made in Italy anyway (frame, wiring, switchgead, seat, etc). Think the ignition system is Japanese, but then so is the oned used on the Mito and the RS (or at least those fitted with the Rotax 122 engine).

From memory with the old NS125 the only bits that were not built in Italy were the engine and the wiring loom.

I suspect someone is being a bit hopeful claiming 12hp for the RS50. Maybe it is at the crank, but then the NSR is probably rather more at the crank. The RS makes around 28.5hp at the rear wheel on a dyno (original RS125 road test in PB), although the newer ones are probably slower as the exhausts now have more restrictions (eg, catalytic converter) and the carbs are smaller.

All the best

Keith
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Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

The BeefMeister · Crazy Courier Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Karma :

My mates Senda R was running very fast (for a 50!) and beating my RS. He always used to thrash it though and it soon got slower and I was able to beat him.

There was only one ped that was able to keep up/sometimes beat me was the Piaggio NRG. Very nippy off the line.

Anyway just derestricted my RS as I said was roughly putting out about 9bhp, it might have been less. It now has a sports exhaust on it but I don't know wether that would make a whole lot of difference on the bhp.

Race cans on 400cc +, 4 strokes usually add about 4bhp+ I think so on a 50cc 2 stroke I don't think it would add much at all.
Most probably 0. figure.
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NSR125-Kid-UK · Attention Whore Joined: 03 May 2003 Karma :

I'll stick to the tried + trusted 2001's Smile

. Less money isn't it Smile

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The BeefMeister · Crazy Courier Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Karma :

The rainbow colours and the gold rims was a first.
Not been done before on the production line.
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cagiva gezzer · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Karma :

The rs 50 wont make12Bhp. 8 is more like it.

Using claimed figures.
The mito/rs power and weights.

The rs makes 33bhp - 25kw and weighs 142 kg

The mito makes 31bhp - 23.5kw and weighs 129kgs.

Power to weight ratios of-

Rs- 0.176Kw/Kg

mito - 0.182kW/kg

from dvla- "A full standard category A licence permits you ride any motorcycle with a power output of up to 25kW (33bhp) and a power-to-weight ratio not exceeding 0.16kW/kg without `L' plates, carry pillion passengers and use motorways. You are restricted to a motorcycle up to 25kW for two years"

Looks like a full power rs and mito are illegal to ride on a restricted full licence.....

AFAIK cagiva lowered the BHP to try and hit the power-to-weight ratio, whereas aprilia had a heavy bike so they didint have to.
Could just be lies though...

I think late, good condition NSRs will hold their value really well as people realise how crap the cbr is.
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Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

Claimed dry weight of an RS is 115kg accoding to the owners handbook, while the Mito is 125kg (ish) according to the workshop manual depending on the model.

I have never seen an official claim from Aprilia of 33hp. They all gave up claiming peak power figures about 13 years ago after Gilera caused a public outcry releasing the 107mph SP01 (which could be ridden by a 16 year old in Italy). The makers stopped claiming top speed and power figures and the magazines stopped testing them for top speed and power.

All the best

Keith
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cagiva gezzer · World Chat Champion Joined: 17 Mar 2003 Karma :

It all gets a bit stupid.

To get that edge i might take a dump before riding, always run half a tank of fuel and wrap myself in clingfilm!
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NSR125-Kid-UK · Attention Whore Joined: 03 May 2003 Karma :

The 2003 RS50/125 Is a beautiful machine. Basically it's been made up to look like a baby RSV-R. Picture can be found below.

Yes i'd love one of these babies, they're gorgeous, but I still think the NSR paintwork is better Smile

, and besides, not only have i made my decision ( Smile

) but I wouldn't spend £3300 on a new RS125 (Now that i come to think about it)...
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