400 vs 400 vs 400

John · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Apr 2003 Karma :

Just out of interest, are there any differences between the different 400s, or are they all about the same like the RS/NSR/Mito are?

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Scotty · Scooter Boi Joined: 31 Jul 2002 Karma :

You just answered your own question son Wink

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Sparks! · Sir Tart-a-lot Joined: 30 Aug 2003 Karma :

Only the ZXR400 is the best 400 going Wink

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Robby · Dirty Old Man Joined: 16 May 2002 Karma :

All the same, all equally bad. If you want razor sharp handling, go for a sports 250 2 stroke. If you want some good power, get a sports 600+. If you want the worst of both world, get a sports 400.

Scotty · Scooter Boi Joined: 31 Jul 2002 Karma :

Robby = The ost Negative Person on The Forum
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Robby · Dirty Old Man Joined: 16 May 2002 Karma :

Pass your test scooter boi, get a real bike.

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John · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Apr 2003 Karma :

Thanks for that.

Time to get a loan. Shocked

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John · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Apr 2003 Karma :

What's actually wrong with the NC24 btw?

Robby · Dirty Old Man Joined: 16 May 2002 Karma :

All round bad design. Some parts are superior to NC30, like rear wheel removal. 4 bolts, car style, where i believe the NC30 uses a circlip or summat. Chain adjustment is easier too because you don't need a special tool.

But otherwise the NC24 is very uncomfortable, just a nasty position to be in and a crap seat. You need to rev the balls off it to get anywhere, because its a 400. Handling can be twitchy, particularly on worn or old tyres, due to the 16inch front wheel. Handling feels a bit strange, because the front of the bike turns very fast (16 inch) and the rear turns/tips in very slow (18 inch).

The front forks are very soft and rather crude, and of course they have that lovely grey import trick of all the rubber hoses and seals being perished, so your fuel line splits (as i believe has also happened on gooseys bros 400 and mikes cbr250) and due to the air assisted forks on the front having rubber seals, they just don't really work.

Parts are very expensive if you can find them, and honda use the old trick of a stainless exhaust can (mild steel internals mind) with mild steel (i think) downpipes and a mild steel collector box. The collector rots, and if you can get one it costs around 400 quid. You also can't remove the rear exhaust downpipes with the engine in the frame.

Servicing is a joke. Changing the front spark plugs means getting the radiator swung forward, so it means all the bodywork off. Cunt of a bike to work on. Speedo drive may be the same as on the NSR, certainly not very strong as the one on my old NC24 broke soon after I sold it at around 28k km.

A tank of fuel lasts 160km inc. reserve. Tank looks big, but its almost flat in reality. I think it holds 12 or 13 litres inc. reserve, and my one use to drink the stuff at 40mpg.

Other little bits. The tyres are too skinny - only a 130 section rear. Sounds okish on the normal can, but if you decide to get a race can you need to go chopping up the old pipework to fit a slip on. You'd then have a job selling it on to someone like me, and the joy of getting the standard can back on for MOTs if your MOT test centre cares about cans.

the electrical system is very weak as on the NC30, the reg/rec goes first and may well take out the alternator with it, and normally the battery for good measure. The tacho packed up on mine, but then the whole ignition system seemed to be giving up the ghost. In fact now I think of it I had 2 tachos, the original one packed in when i first took the bike out, and the replacement from a breakers was going when i sold it.

Derestricting them is a bit of fun too - I'm talking about 33bhp derestriction if you get them fitted by a dealer. Being a V4 with the carbs in the middle you can have a bit of fun getting the carbs back onto the rubbers, particularly when the brass screws holding the carbs onto the brass airbox base have seized, and the carb rubbers have hardened.

And the final sting in the tail, for me at least, was the white wheels. I hate white wheels normally, they belong in the mid 80s, but the NC24 ones are full of nooks and crannies and a bitch to clean. Particularly bad when your cleaning it up for sale.

John · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Apr 2003 Karma :

Not having one of them then. Unless it's free, maybe.

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kev · I Hump Things Joined: 07 Oct 2002 Karma :

You say all that robby but you want a harley which are worse than any jap bike.
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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

Most of that is stuff you've had wrong with your bike. Where as I reckon Kevo wwould be able to give a completly different point of view.

Crash it for fun · Spanner Monkey Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Karma :

Do any manufacturers still make 400s and if not, why not?

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McJamweasel · BCF Junkie Joined: 22 Mar 2002 Karma :

I thought the ZXR was still made. It was a couple of years back anyway, have they stopped it now?
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Robby · Dirty Old Man Joined: 16 May 2002 Karma :

I think the ZXR4 failed the new emissions thing last year.

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