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2E
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PostPosted: 01:33 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Russian Bikes Reply with quote

I want to get one for my next bike.

Looked for an Ural, Cossack, Dnper. Any others?

Want something not too large (500cc or so).

Something like this:

https://www.gmvg.co.uk/news_archive/2008/liberation_images/dneprlarge.jpg
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PostPosted: 01:57 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not get an old BMW?

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3197/3771138142_be08e771e8_z.jpg
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PostPosted: 02:02 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:


And support the Nazis?

No thanks comrade!
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PostPosted: 02:05 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the 650 is 33bhp complient, so I dont know why you'd want anything smaller!
Beware the two-wheel drive 'right hand chair' outfits. (as one you have pictured) They dont meet UK C&U regs, and there's a bit of controvesy over the folk that have them registered as a trike, becouse they dont meet either the C&U regs for a trike or an out-fit.
I cant really say much possitive about them, TBH, my experiences are significantly 'bad'!
Though not bad enough to put me off seriousely investigating Dales-man outfit last year.
Trouble is, up till a few years ago, they were cheap as chips, and a lot of laughs for your money, but for some daft reason the prices are now ludicrouse, new, and thats pushed 2nd hand prices up.
Only ones that are still a bargain are the 2wd RH-Chair examples, that are often sold 'not for road use' or without MOT, (Becouse even perfectly fettled, no-one will give them one, becouse they don't meet regs!)
Without the chair, though, they are remarkeably spritely, and have about the performance of a half decent Honda Super-Dream..... and I'd hazard to say, possibly BETTER handling, though hard to tell, on squared off side-car rubber!
Think you'll find that there are only actually two marques of Wiemach BMW copy; one is the Dnimpnierj..... whatever! other is the Urual/Cossack, which actually a UK Importer badge, becouse the Russian names even more unpronounceable, spellable than Djnipniejneir---whatever!
There are a number of other Ruskie bikes; think based on two-stroke JAWA twin designs, again, marketed in the UK at variouse times under anglacised names.
My Uncles a Dniepner nut, and had two in the last fifteen years. First one was a complete shit-box, and with something like 1500 miles on the clock holes a piston on us bringing it back up from Wiltshire, leading to a sphincter twitching ride home in an AA recovery truck with very camp driver, telling me all about his dairly herd, and patting my leather clad knee rather too fondly for comfort, every time he wanted to emphasise a point! (hence some of my aversion to the ruddy things, after such an intro!)
If you want them to be reliable, you rebuild the motors with Mahl pistons and decent bearings, fit a Bosh ignition and Bing Carburettors. If you want them to move at more than a snails pace you chuck some BMW cams into the mix.
Other than that, they are built like an East German Olympic Woman's Shot-Putter though slightly prettier, but just as hard to handle. Debate rages over how best to set up the tracking of the chair, and steering dampers.... like whether the standard friction damper should be screwed all the way down, or if its a cop out to fit a hydraulic one of a Jap-sportsbike!
But get into them, and aparently this all becomes part of the 'charm'.
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PostPosted: 02:07 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:

I know its got a BMW badge on it, but with the spam-can rocker-covers, in the 'portrait' rather than landscape orientation, isn't that the Zundapp version?
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Frost
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PostPosted: 03:59 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://buyvintage1.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/r71.jpg

Looks the same to me.
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PostPosted: 04:13 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:
https://buyvintage1.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/r71.jpg
Looks the same to me.

It do. But somewhere in my dim and distant recollections, is something about the Weimach contracts spreading the work-load about between factories that weren't bombed, and bits for the zundap version being assembled into BMW's and vica-versa.
Meanwhile, the BMW R32 which the weimach military 'combo' was based on, being 'similar' but not the same as the Zundapp offering, and I had the inkling that the orientation & shape of the rocker-covers was one of the distinguishing features... been too long to remember exactly, or even where such nuggets were gleaned from... hence query... wondered if any-one else had better recolection or soruces!
The Dniepnier, and Ural, though, aren't actually faximilies of the weimach R32... aparently they Russians apropriated what tooling they could from the BMW factory when they occupied East-Germany, but didn't actually have enough to produce the whole Weimach bike. some of the tooling was for other machines, and I think some of the engine tooling was for a pump engine or something, and what they didn't have they 'reverse' engineered from post-war BMW's... to create a mongrel, which they then set about a process of parallel development, hence some bikes having plunger rear suspension, some swing-arm, and variouse engine amendments.
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

aah! excellent ... finally an opportunity to post my Ural pic Smile

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PostPosted: 08:19 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is fucking awesome! The blue/grey color is bang on Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which is the one Hammond had on tg?
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the Car vs Bike trip?

That was a Vincent Black Shadow IIRC which is far different to anything the Russians ever made!

https://www.khulsey.com/motorcycles/vintagebike-images/vincent_black-shadow_series-c.jpeg
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
On the Car vs Bike trip?


Vietnam trip Wink

rac3r wrote:
Which is the one Hammond had on tg?


He had a Minsk.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

in the Vietnam Special Hammond was on a Minsk 125cc two stroke.

With Russia bikes if you get one buy a good running one you can easily get spares for.

I have a 1975 Voskhod 2 which has a 2 stroke 175cc engine in it.

https://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c170/f1fan111/DSCF23441024x768.jpg

which is incomplete and is a challenge to find parts for!! but was only £30

https://www.f2motorcycles.ltd.uk/

mainly do spares for Dnepr and Ural
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't actually want an outfit/sidecar combination... just the bike Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a Cossack 125 stroker years ago. Bizarre bike, it was, but kind of fun. Bought it for £40 and sold it for a tenner profit. Wish I'd kept it but I got bored of premixing the fucking thing and never getting it quite right Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Beware the two-wheel drive 'right hand chair' outfits. (as one you have pictured) They dont meet UK C&U regs, and there's a bit of controvesy over the folk that have them registered as a trike, becouse they dont meet either the C&U regs for a trike or an out-fit.

Trouble is, up till a few years ago, they were cheap as chips, and a lot of laughs for your money, but for some daft reason the prices are now ludicrouse, new, and thats pushed 2nd hand prices up.
Only ones that are still a bargain are the 2wd RH-Chair examples, that are often sold 'not for road use' or without MOT, (Becouse even perfectly fettled, no-one will give them one, becouse they don't meet regs!)


Left hand drive cars are illegal on British roads under C&U regs but cannot be refused registration if previously registered within the Euro zone for 6 months.

Although illegal to register a RH side car I strongely suspect it isn't illegal to re-register one that has been registered and in use for a minimum of 6 months in another Euro zone country. The basis of this is that any vehicle that is legal within one area of the Euro zone and has previously been registered and insured for a minimum 6 month period must be considered legal within the rest of the Euro zone as otherwise it becomes a barrier to free movement and trade as with left hand drive cars. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

F2 Motorcycles deal in Ural and Dnepr bikes and sidecar outfits. There is good info on the law regarding right handed sidecar fitment on their website here:-

https://www.f2motorcycles.ltd.uk/rhsidecars.html
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

kestrel wrote:
F2 Motorcycles deal in Ural and Dnepr bikes and sidecar outfits. There is good info on the law regarding right handed sidecar fitment on their website here:-

https://www.f2motorcycles.ltd.uk/rhsidecars.html


And yet they only discuss registration not re-registration from a Euro zone country. Wink
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 27 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm I wouldn't mind one of these 2 stroke things for £50 odd Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 28 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russian bikes are brilliant fun and hard as nails! Don't know about new stuff but the 70s stuff I had a go on = hilarious amount of fun and disproportionate fuel usage 40mpg!
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