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PostPosted: 15:56 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: RVF 750 RC 30 pillion rider? Reply with quote

Did Honda ever made a version of the RC 30 with a facility for a pillion passenger like it's younger brother the VFR NC 30?

Any chance it is possible to do modify an RC 30 (hopefully reversibly) so that it does have pillion pegs and a seat, maybe taking bits from an NC 30?
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a bit like putting a roof box on a classic supercar.. I take it it's a VFR, not an RVF?

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PostPosted: 16:18 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the effort might as well get a backie on an R1, quicker, better handling, and better brakes.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

RVF is the NC35.

And why would you want to modify such a rare and classic bike? Also you know that they are around 15k right?
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The RC30 was a 'hologation special' race-bike!
The VFR750F was the road bike.
If you have bought an RC30, and want to carry a pillion, you bought the wrong bike.
It's akin to buying a Ferarri GTP Le-Mans car, and becouse it's got lights, indicators and number-plate to qualify as a 'sports-car' taking it on the road.... could be done... has been done... but you DONT start complaining that the passenger seat is a cusion velcro'd to the petrol-tank, and asking if you could fit the leather upholstery from a GTB350 in it, becouse the missus grumbles at you when you make her sit on it!
Actually I'm thinking D-Type now, where the mandatory passenger seat to qualify as a GT car was paneled over........ Snowie would probably ACTUALLY still fit, she's so diddy..... the ex-missus would only squeeze in there if she was chopped into little bits and de-hydrated...... the idea has some appeal!
More helpfully, yes, copuld be done. There was plenty of 'pattern' bodywork for the RC30, and if you were REALLY deturmined, you could get some old race glass, chop it up to add a pillion suab, and met-fab some hangers for pillion pegs.
But WHY!?!?!?!?!
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The why isn't important.

The VFR 400 has it. I asked if it ever came as standard in an RC 30.

Don't see why an RC 30 can't have it maybe there is a version of RC 30 that did have it?
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

From seeing your other post in workshop you're not trying to go the other way are you? i.e pass a nc30 off as an rc30?
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

0ddball wrote:
From seeing your other post in workshop you're not trying to go the other way are you? i.e pass a nc30 off as an rc30?


You're taking the piss right?
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

May as well because this thread can't be serious.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

0ddball wrote:
May as well because this thread can't be serious.


Don't see how...

"Did Honda ever made a version of the RC 30 with a facility for a pillion passenger like it's younger brother the VFR NC 30?"

..is not a serious question?

I've never seen a VFR 400 without a pillion, and I've never seen an RC 30 with a pillion.

For someone talking about being serious, it seems like a pretty stupid question to ask me whether I'm trying to pass off an NC 30 as an RC 30 fullstop, and even moreso after I asked whether or not an RC 30 can have a pillion facility put on it? (Thus making an RC 30 look like a NC 30, not the other way around???)

Seems pretty moronic to me.

No, I need a pillion facility on all my bikes. I'll be getting a VFR 400 next year, was thinking about forking out for a RC 30 at a later date when my restriction ends which is soon, but wanted to know if any RC 30s were made with pillions and if not could it be done well.

Don't see why I need to give an explanation just "why" I'm asking the above, and why if you don't know "why" it makes the thread not "serious".

Either you know the answer or you're wasting my time and this thread by saying it's not serious or asking why, simply because you don't know or aren't serious.
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swifte wrote:

Seems pretty moronic to me.


Seems pretty moronic to me to be asking whether an RC30 ever came with a pillion seat and pegs.

I'll start at the beginning for you.

The RVF750 is the RC45, and has very little in common with an NC30. And RC30 is the VFR750R, and the NC30, or VFR400 aped the looks for the Japanese market, but with a small engine due to Japanese licensing at that time.

The RC30 was created as a homologation special for superbike racing, hence was made in very small numbers, using top quality parts. The subframe's a light weight unit designed to carry the rider only.

You'll struggle to bodge an NC30 subframe on, since the RC30 frame is wider due to the bigger engine in the RC30. It certainly would be possible with a custom subframe, but seems pretty daft, and rather defeats the point of the bike.

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PostPosted: 17:35 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, the answer is 'yes' they made a'version' of the RC30 that had pillion pegs.
It was called the VFR750F
The RC30 was a variant of the VFR750, made in small numbers SPECIFICALLY as a race bike.
The VFR400 / NC30 was not. That was built as a 'race-replica', NOT a race bike.
so, yes, you can have a 'version' of RC30 with pillion seat and pegs, and even a pretty accomodating set, with grab rail.... but it will sat VFR750F on the side.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swifte wrote:
0ddball wrote:
May as well because this thread can't be serious.


Don't see how...

"Did Honda ever made a version of the RC 30 with a facility for a pillion passenger like it's younger brother the VFR NC 30?"

..is not a serious question?

I've never seen a VFR 400 without a pillion, and I've never seen an RC 30 with a pillion.

For someone talking about being serious, it seems like a pretty stupid question to ask me whether I'm trying to pass off an NC 30 as an RC 30 fullstop, and even moreso after I asked whether or not an RC 30 can have a pillion facility put on it? (Thus making an RC 30 look like a NC 30, not the other way around???)

Seems pretty moronic to me.

No, I need a pillion facility on all my bikes. I'll be getting a VFR 400 next year, was thinking about forking out for a RC 30 at a later date when my restriction ends which is soon, but wanted to know if any RC 30s were made with pillions and if not could it be done well.

Don't see why I need to give an explanation just "why" I'm asking the above, and why if you don't know "why" it makes the thread not "serious".

Either you know the answer or you're wasting my time and this thread by saying it's not serious or asking why, simply because you don't know or aren't serious.


Although the sub frame on the RC30 does extend pretty much all the way to the rear light it is a single seater only.
You would need to fabricate a new subframe, supports for footrests and bodywork to fit a pillion seat.

On top of this you would need to have all new suspension made up as the range of adjustment on single seater bikes is not up to having an extra 33% in weight added, you will constantly bottom out.

Why anyone would want to buy a true racebike and fit a pillion seat escapes me, you do realise a good one could set you back 8k+ and a rough one over 4k?
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swifte wrote:


No, I need a pillion facility on all my bikes. I'll be getting a VFR 400 next year, was thinking about forking out for a RC 30 at a later date when my restriction ends which is soon


Ok cupcake, i understand now. Your a dreamer.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Swifte wrote:

Seems pretty moronic to me.


Seems pretty moronic to me to be asking whether an RC30 ever came with a pillion seat and pegs.

I'll start at the beginning for you.

The RVF750 is the RC45, and has very little in common with an NC30. And RC30 is the VFR750R, and the NC30, or VFR400 aped the looks for the Japanese market, but with a small engine due to Japanese licensing at that time.


Cheers for correcting my spelling mistake VFR not RVF, which if you had taken the time to read above was already written about, its the RC 30 I'm talking about.

Again don't see why its moronic to ask whether an RC 30 ever had a pillion. An NC 30 does and its also a race bike. So still no explanation there.

I bet this will be one of those things where I'll get a load of big heads saying it's a stupid question, only to find later from some source somewhere that at a handful of RC 30s were actually custom made with a pillion facility for one reason or another.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

0ddball wrote:
Swifte wrote:


No, I need a pillion facility on all my bikes. I'll be getting a VFR 400 next year, was thinking about forking out for a RC 30 at a later date when my restriction ends which is soon


Ok cupcake, i understand now. Your a dreamer.


Thanks for your understanding, now piss off.

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OK, the answer is 'yes' they made a'version' of the RC30 that had pillion pegs.
It was called the VFR750F
The RC30 was a variant of the VFR750, made in small numbers SPECIFICALLY as a race bik


Teflon. So I take it then you could buy an RC 30 and take the pillion bits off a VFR750F and bring them over? The pegs surely maybe the pillion seat from an NC 30?
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swifte wrote:

Again don't see why its moronic to ask whether an RC 30 ever had a pillion. An NC 30 does and its also a race bike. So still no explanation there.


Look up homologation, digest what it means with regards to motorcycles and racing then come back to me.

The VFR750 was built purely with racing in mind. The VFR400's a bike that was build with the road in mind, then people decided to race it. Very different things. The more you talk the more it proves your ignorance I'm afraid.
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swifte wrote:
No, I need a pillion facility on all my bikes. I'll be getting a VFR 400 next year, was thinking about forking out for a RC 30 at a later date when my restriction ends which is soon, but wanted to know if any RC 30s were made with pillions and if not could it be done well.


Forking out? you will be paying about 10k for one. And by the sounds of it using it as an every day bike, which they are not. A RC30 is not for everyday use, it was built as a race bike and shows off the technologies Honda had at the time.

You need to take your head out of the clouds and look at things a bit clearer. You want to spend 10 grand on a bike, just after your restrictions up so still a fairly new rider. You then want to take a classic race bike and modify it for pillion use, ruining the value of the bike. If you are spending that much then get a newer bike which will be reliable and built for what you need.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I know it will cost me over 10k and no it will not be used everyday, still don't know why this is important to my question.

It doesn't matter what I want, did it exist, if not can it be done well and reversibly so pillion mod on and then off. I won't be selling an RC30 if I buy one, but again that is not the question.

Big_Ham wrote:

The VFR750 was built purely with racing in mind. The VFR400's a bike that was build with the road in mind, then people decided to race it. Very different things. The more you talk the more it proves your ignorance I'm afraid.


No points for stating my ignorance on the subject, otherwise why would I be writing this thread?

Homologation apart from meaning approval from an official body, in this context means quote:

Quote:
Production vehicles only slightly adapted for racing, manufacturers typically produce a limited run of such vehicles for public sale so that they can legitimately race them in the class.


Still doesn't rule out why it wouldn't have a facility for pillion quote "slightly adapted for racing".
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swifte wrote:
Still doesn't rule out why it wouldn't have a facility for pillion quote "slightly adapted for racing".


I have told you but you seem to be ignoring me.
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok so I take it, it never existed in one form or another and can't be reasonably done. Without new suspension etc. Again the 'why' is not important.

How many of you actually 100% know this is the case.
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then if its not used everyday, and you have a second bike. Why does it need a pillion seat? You will have the second bike to take the OH out for a ride. And the RC30 as a bike that can be taken out on weekends.
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swifte wrote:
Again don't see why its moronic to ask whether an RC 30 ever had a pillion. An NC 30 does and its also a race bike. So still no explanation there.

I bet this will be one of those things where I'll get a load of big heads saying it's a stupid question, only to find later from some source somewhere that at a handful of RC 30s were actually custom made with a pillion facility for one reason or another.


Right, the RC30 was a 'homologation special'. it was a DEDICATED factory race bike, built in exactly the number needed to qualify as a 'production' bike, in order to be entered in super-bike races.

The NC30 was a Race-Replica. It was a road-bike, designed and built for people to use ON THE ROAD.... it was NOT a 'Race-Bike'.

People MIGHT have raced them, some maybe still do, same as some people have taken Suzuki RG500 'factory' Race Bikes, or Harris YZR 'factory' race bikes and added street gear to put them on the road.

That does NOT make the NC30 a 'Race-Bike' nor a Harris YZR a 'road-Bike'!

Now, JUST becouse you dont like the answer, stop name calling and try learning something. You are simply showing your own ignorance of bikes, racing, and Hondas in general.

RC30 - limited prodiuction 'Race-Bike' designed specificallty for super-bike and endurance racing.

VFR750 - mass production ROAD bike designed for joe-blogs to pop to work on, go to the shops, have a bit of fun on a Sunday, maybe head to the south of France for the Bol, and POSSIBLY, just POSSIBLY take on a track day.

NC30 - mass production road bike JUST like the VFR750. A LITTLE more single minded, AND conveniently eligible for the old 400 Super-Stock race class, (note the 'stock' in the title, denoting a class for MASS PRODUCTION motorcycles) in which many WERE raced by clubbies.

But they were still 'Road-Bikes'!

The question has been answered - repeatedly.......

No the RC30 never had pillion accomodation, it was specifically designed for racing.

There were no 'versions' of the RC30, let alone one that had pillion accomodation.

The RC30 was the RC30 - one version, one spec (each year) made to that spec in JUST the number needed to qualify for 'production' racing.

Is it making any sense to you yet?
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PostPosted: 18:07 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No, I need a pillion facility on all my bikes. I'll be getting a VFR 400 next year, was thinking about forking out for a RC 30 at a later date when my restriction ends which is soon, but wanted to know if any RC 30s were made with pillions and if not could it be done well.


My view on this is simple.

If you need a pillion on all your bikes then dont buy an NC30 for 3 reasons.

1. If they were supposed to have a pillion seat then they would have one.
2. It would look gash
3. It would ruin the bike and any resale value on what is a rare and collectable bike.

Want a VFR 750 with pillion seat for when the restriction ends......I give you the VFR 750, Voted as one of the best bikes ever built by reviewers and public voters

https://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/specs/pics/94-vfr750.jpg
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 08 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swifte wrote:
Ok so I take it, it never existed in one form or another and can't be reasonably done. Without new suspension etc. Again the 'why' is not important.

How many of you actually 100% know this is the case.


Well I do own a single seater homologation special is that knowledge and experience enough?

https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/20_jpg.jpg

It may not be an RC30 but the principles behind it are the same.
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