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The Disapproving Brit
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Removing A2 restriction Reply with quote

Well, I'm coming nicely up to 2 years since I passed my test. Soo...can I just go shopping for something with a bit of grunt, or do I need to send my license of to DVLA to get the A2 restriction lifted?
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's an interesting technical question, and I expect if you ask the DVLA twice you'll get two different answer. If you ask them to cite the statute, they'll probably have you sent to Guantanamo.

In practice, the DVLA say that you can continue to ride/drive even when not in possession of a physical license (i.e. when you've surrendered it for replacement). However, I don't think that's actually accounted for in the statutes: not showing a license on demand is an offence, and a producer only gives you 7 days to come up with one. However again, any sane copper, CPS goon or Magistrate will ultimately go by what Computer Says, so you'll be exonerated.

So I'd assume that the same applies to the restriction. Apply for a new license - do not surrender your current one, just say you've "lost" it in case the DVLA mongs "lose" your A entitlement - then get your 'Busa right away. Even if you do get nabbed by an ignorant copper who knows just enough to be dangerous, Computer Says should sort it out eventually.
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PostPosted: 11:55 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd just ride with your licence as it is. The >33bhp code is valid for two years, so if it's two years past your pass date on the photocard, then the code is invalid?
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Apply for a new license - do not surrender your current one, just say you've "lost" it in case the DVLA mongs "lose" your A entitlement - then get your 'Busa right away. Even if you do get nabbed by an ignorant copper who knows just enough to be dangerous, Computer Says should sort it out eventually.


Once again I agree with this bloke. Laughing

Although you should be able to ride while your license is in transit, with the backlog they keep telling you about it could take months before you get your entitlements upgraded. Theres all too many tales of people sending their dual car and bike license away to get restrictions removed or full bike added to the car and the license gets returned with no bike entitlement, and when DVLA is questioned they have no record of them ever doing their bike test.

Best thing to do is keep at least 1 part of your license and say it was "lost" Might cost a little to replace it (not sure) but its better than having to argue with them or possibly go through your test again. If the license comes back and its wrong you can miraculously "find" the lost part and you have some proof then.

Some evidence of which I speak.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/community/Forums/Categories/Topic/?&topic-id=368475

https://www.avforums.com/forums/motoring/840584-dvla-have-lost-my-motorcycle-entitlement.html

I know that when it comes to moving house / renewing license I'll be keeping a hold of mine.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

In theory that *shouldn't* be able to be an issue with mine, since the only entitlement on there is the A2 - there's no car entitlement yet. Still, this is the DVLA we're talking about, so best not to take any chances!
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just keep your current licence until you need to renew the photo card part.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paxovasa wrote:
I would just keep your current licence until you need to renew the photo card part.


+1

If you are concerned about it just send off for a replacement because you "lost" your other one.
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

timbstoke wrote:
In theory that *shouldn't* be able to be an issue with mine, since the only entitlement on there is the A2


Just to be clear, your license is A. There's currently no such thing as an A2 license. Everyone understands what it means, but we should try to get out of the habit of saying it, because it'll get confusing in 2013 when there will be an actual A2 license, with a 35kW power limit instead of 25kW. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

[nit-picking] Razz

Rogerborg wrote:
Nice one! Was that A2 or DAS?



I'll not bother with adding the entitlement. Saves the messing about of getting copies and hoping they don't mess-up.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been over 6 months now and I haven't sent off to get mine removed, there is no point. The license says the pass date anyone can add two years to that and realise you are fully licensed.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 16 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

yuri2085 wrote:
Been over 6 months now and I haven't sent off to get mine removed, there is no point. The license says the pass date anyone can add two years to that and realise you are fully licensed.


You have to remember we are talking about british jobworths here Very Happy
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 17 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked this question when my restriction was up and i got the exact same mix of answers so i contacted the DVLA myself. this was the reply

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Dear Mr **********


Thank you for your email received on 14/5/10. Your email reference number is 352***.



Once the two-year qualifying period has elapsed, you may ride any size motorcycle.

It is not necessary to have the restriction 25kw, removed from your licence.



However, if you wish to have the restriction removed then please fill in a D1 application form, (available from the Post Office® or from the DVLA ordering service at www.direct.gov.uk/motoring), applying for an exchange licence and return it to the Agency with your licence. Please include a covering letter stating that you wish to have the two-year motorcycle restriction removed. A fee of £20.00 will be required.



DVLA are now only issuing photocard driving licences. If you do not have a photocard licence and you wish to have the motorcycle restriction code removed now, you will also need to provide one passport size colour photograph and the requested proof of identity.



I hope this helps with your enquiry.



Do not reply to this email. If you wish to contact us again about this response then please use our Reply Form or copy and paste the following URL in to your browser:



https://emaildvla.direct.gov.uk/emaildvla/cegemail/directgov/en/reply_form_drivers.html



When filling in the form the email reference number 352*** will be required.



Regards



C Smitham

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The Disapproving Brit
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 17 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, thanks dragstaar!

I don't think I'll be bothering then. There's enough horror stories of people losing things off their license when they don't want anything special, I dread to think what'd come back if I actually asked them to remove something motorcycle related!

I will keep a copy of that letter though Smile
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 17 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

waffles wrote:
Paxovasa wrote:
I would just keep your current licence until you need to renew the photo card part.


+1

If you are concerned about it just send off for a replacement because you "lost" your other one.


I tried this, they won't make any changes to a lost licence.
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 17 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I got a "replacement" for my "lost" license, an expired SP30 was removed. Why would an expired 25kW endorsement be treated any differently? It's not a change of details, it's just removing expired and irrelevant endorsements.

Anyway, shocked that DVLA actually showed some common sense. Shocked
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 17 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope I'd lost my licence at least twice since my restriction ended, I asked them to take it off once they said they couldn't.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 17 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I guess that's more like the level of service and sense that we've come to expect from the DVLA.

What's their story then? Spend £20 to get a replacement with the endorsement, send it straight back in with another £20 to get the endorsement removed? Laughing
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