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PostPosted: 08:36 - 19 Feb 2011    Post subject: Honda CB125 Twin Reply with quote

I need to adjust the idle screw, as it's a little high. Being a twin cylinder, it has two carbs, what I want to know is are they connected somehow? So there's only one screw, or a screw on each carb.....

The original handbook doesn't really help much.
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 19 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I imagine there would be one on each carb. Only connected by throttle cable iirc i dont think they share the idle/misture screws too.
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 19 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turn the throttle back and forth and look at the carbs. You'll see bits of metal moving back and forth. where they come to rest is where you will find the idle screw. Yes both are connected.
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 19 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DaFrostyOne wrote:
Turn the throttle back and forth and look at the carbs. You'll see bits of metal moving back and forth. where they come to rest is where you will find the idle screw. Yes both are connected.


I tried this, but the only bit of metal I can see moving is the choke, it looks like the throttle cables go through the top of the carb?

It's a 1983 TDC if that helps...
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 19 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:48 - 19 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it this type ? though it's for a cb 125 t Neutral
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 19 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the tickover is only set on one carb, usualy the L/H one. Our resident CB125T expert will be along shortly, just make sure you're sitting comfertably Rolling Eyes

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There's two. Idle screws. & you need ling thing flat blade screwdriver to get at the inner one.

Lift the slides by witsiting throttle, a tad, then adjust stop screw fraction turn then let slide settle onto the stop.

If you just screw the screw in, it bites into slide as much as pushes ut up ramp.

Alt set high idle by twisting grip, screwing stops in a longer way, then undoung idle screw letting slides fall.
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice, Tef, think you'll be the best to ask, I want to start this all over again.

So once the carbs are balanced, can I turn the idle screws in all the way, then bring them both out at the same number of turns? Or is this just stupidity?

Do you know what they say the setting should be? Like 2 turns...3 turns?

Just wondering if that would be easier, the pilot screws I want to keep away from really, as the mixture seems fine, or should I do the same with these, turn them both all the way in, then same number of turns out....
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PostPosted: 06:20 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate split-cable twin carbs. My GT250 had them.

I don't know what the factory say is the proper method of setting the carbs but here is how I would do it, supposing I wasn't going to pull the carbs off the bike and measure the slide lift beforehand.

Open the throttle slightly and screw in both idle screws a bit so the revs increase to fast idle.

Slacken the cables now to increase free-play.

Using vacuum gauges, balance the carbs by winding out the idle screw on the high reading carb until the vacuum is the same then keep adjusting each down in turn keeping them balanced until the idle is set.

Now set the free play on each of the split cables (might only have adjustment on one in which case adjust that on so free-play is equal on both. Do this visually/by feel.

Set the free play on the main throttle cable

Now, with the vacuum gauges still attached, open the throttle very slightly and watch the gauges. If one lifts before the other, adjust-out the discrepancy.

Re-set the free play on the main throttle cable. Check lock to lock for revs rising.
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PostPosted: 06:22 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Needless to say, before you have done all this you will have checked that the float heights are the same on both carbs and the jetting is clear Smile
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
I hate split-cable twin carbs. My GT250 had them.

I don't know what the factory say is the proper method of setting the carbs but here is how I would do it, supposing I wasn't going to pull the carbs off the bike and measure the slide lift beforehand.

Open the throttle slightly and screw in both idle screws a bit so the revs increase to fast idle.

Slacken the cables now to increase free-play.

Using vacuum gauges, balance the carbs by winding out the idle screw on the high reading carb until the vacuum is the same then keep adjusting each down in turn keeping them balanced until the idle is set.

Now set the free play on each of the split cables (might only have adjustment on one in which case adjust that on so free-play is equal on both. Do this visually/by feel.

Set the free play on the main throttle cable

Now, with the vacuum gauges still attached, open the throttle very slightly and watch the gauges. If one lifts before the other, adjust-out the discrepancy.

Re-set the free play on the main throttle cable. Check lock to lock for revs rising.


Rolling Eyes Im guessing you know a bit about bikes Laughing

Nemo, this sounds pretty simple...i'll look for a set of carb balancers.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found a set on e-bay for £20, but might see if I can get to machine mart, see ifthey have any, or maybe halfords.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Can you use vacuum gauges on those carbs Question


No idea, but I need a set anyway, and hes practically my brother Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Can you use vacuum gauges on those carbs Question

Yes.
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Two Screws in the stubs take the adaptors.
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Do an oil change first, then the tappets. While rocker cover off, pull carbs off completely.....
Adjust cam-chain tensioner... you basically cant get at it without pulling the carbs.... and you want the rocker cover off so you can waggle the tensioner blade from the top as you adjust it to seat it.
THEN look at the choke mechanism.
Butterflys are not well aligned in the carb-bodies and can stick. They also don't always fully close.
Pull the air-boxes and check the air-filters.
They are £30 a pair new, so probably the originals, in which case could have gone mouldy, or turned to paper mache. BUT you want the air-boxes out the way, so that once you have fitted the carbs back on, you can inspect the chokes.
Silly flex drive between the two butterfly spindles, needs tweeking so both open and close together, and on the Corporal I have a hair-elastic and wire hook to offer possitive return to make sure that No.2 choke actually opens fully when cable released!
THEN you can set the idle, and as said, the throtle slides are often a bit sticky, so set high idle and work down.
With the air-boxes out the way you can level the slides then use adjusters on the top to balence the cables, then refit air-boxes and cleaner or new filters, and tweek the idle up or down depending on how effected.
TBH..... probably as well balenced like that as doing it by vacuum.... though mucking around with the guages I did get a slightly smoother idle and pick-up out of the Corporal.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Can you use vacuum gauges on those carbs Question


Hopefully there will be a take-off on the intake port or carb rubber. Never considered there might not be since Honda are so good at that kind of thing.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Vincent wrote:
Can you use vacuum gauges on those carbs Question

No idea, but I need a set anyway, and hes practically my brother Laughing
If not, we'll sort it other ways Thumbs Up


Also buy a long length of fuel pipe, and an inline filter, so you can put the petrol tank some-where above engine height, off the bike (750 made useful tank stand in this case!) and run long hose from it to carbs to run the engine, but get at the carb adjustments.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to try get the carbs done today, because it doesn't feel right, not aweful, but not as well as it could be.
Teff, would you be able to post on here, or inbox me a little step by step guide on how to balance the carbs as close as possible without using vacuum gauges? I want to do it before the week commute to work.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 20 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its in message above, basically.
But futile unless you have the choke butterfly's properly adjusted first.
If they aren't both fully open, then mixture goes ritch, and the idle will be all over the place.
1 lift seat.
2. disconect & remove battery.
3. remove air-boxes, so you can see the carb-bodies and butterfly's.
4. fiddle with linkage to get full travel on both chokes and balenced.
Use elastic band / spring / hair elastic trick to add holding pressure to link if needs be.
5. Bike on centre stand, use jump-leads to start bike without battery.
6. Open throttle a little, set high idle on idle screws.
7. Allow to warm up.
8. When warm & even idle achieved, wind out the idle screw on LH carb letting idle drop slightly, then lower RH idle to get even idle.
9. look down carb-mouths to see how level the slides are in the bodies, try and get them roughly level, as you go down.
10, having got the lowest even idle you can with the slides together, positively twist the twist grip as closed as you can, and hold it there, to get all tension off the cable.
You may have to back off the adjuster at the twist grip.
11. take up the slack on the cables at the carb-tops, one at a time watching to see when the slides start to lift, then back off a nadge, take up the tension, then lock, then repeat on other carb-top.
12. take up any remaining slack on the cable at the twist grip, then check both slides lift together. Repeat adjustments if necessary.
Once happy, check everything over, pop air-boxed back on, refit filters and battery....
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