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PostPosted: 21:57 - 10 Jan 2011    Post subject: solid dependable bike decides to misbehave Reply with quote

evening bcf.


first up. been a long time since i have posted anything here.... like 3 4 years....

4 years ago, i bought my self a honda vfr750, standard.

and has been 100% reliable and dependable ever since.

serviced reguleraly, annually.


however.. today... something occured. so i need advice please.


while on my way out of the office, just started the bike, choke was on. phone call.. took longer than expected... bike ran with choke on for longer than usual. i would say 5 7 minutes. turned choke off... conked out. started again but felt suggish... but temp guage was of the chart. so i left it to cool down...

it ran ok the 4 miles home but again the temp have climbed up.

whats is happening or going to happen...

thank you people.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 10 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You probably have fouled the plugs up which is why it stalled when you let it off choke as the revs were to low for it to idle.

The high temp will be from it not moving. Not moving = no air through rad to cool the water. I would have expected the fan to cut in though. If it didn't you still had a fair way to go before it got properly hot EDIT:or its broken Thumbs Up

It probably was hotter than your used to as the temp of most bikes sits pretty low this time of year. Around 70 degrees or so. In the summer this will easily shoot up to 100+ so I wouldn't worry to much. Take it for a good run to clean the plugs.

Is it a digital temp gauge or an analogue one?

If it was digital what temp was it reading? Anything below 110 degrees and your safe. Anything above that and there is a serious problem somewhere!! The bike should never get that hot.


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PostPosted: 22:17 - 10 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd second a bike getting too hot can be related to the fan being broken or not switching on. Although yes, they don't like standing still, and it does heat them up more.
Also check your coolant level, as a matter of course.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 10 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do get hot pretty quickly if they're not moving although as said, the fan should have been on if the temperature was in the red so that's one thing, either your fan or fan switch isn't working.

Test by disconnecting the wire from the fan switch (there is only one) and connecting it to earth with the ignition on. The fan should come on. If it does, the switch is not working. If it doesn't, the fan is not working.

Maybe worth giving the radiator a clean off? I did mine recently and its running noticeably cooler. I took the plastic gurard off, gave it a good soaking by spraying it with hot soapy water followed by cold fresh water to loosen any dirt then gave it a blow through with an airline. Blasted a fairly impressive quantity of dead flies and road grit out.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 10 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks guys.

its an anolouge guage. and its never been accurate just like all the other guages.. epescially the fuel.


now that you mention the fan.. i cant remember it ever working.... unless its really quiet.

clean the rad off? ok.

thanks. hopefully no news is good news

Smile
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 11 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderRus wrote:
thanks guys.

its an anolouge guage. and its never been accurate just like all the other guages.. epescially the fuel.


now that you mention the fan.. i cant remember it ever working.... unless its really quiet.

clean the rad off? ok.

thanks. hopefully no news is good news

Smile


Most of the time, the fan will not be working. Only really when you're sat in traffic for longer periods should you really expect it to come on (easy enough to check though, just let it sit idling for a while). It's entirely possible yours simply doesn't work and no one's ever noticed/bothered to fix it Laughing

I noticed mine doesn't always come on, tracked it down to the switch, and still haven't got round to it yet over a year later (i'm usually very on top of mechanical things), despite doing lots of city riding.
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PostPosted: 00:23 - 11 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderRus wrote:
thanks guys.

its an anolouge guage. and its never been accurate just like all the other guages.. epescially the fuel.


now that you mention the fan.. i cant remember it ever working.... unless its really quiet.

clean the rad off? ok.

thanks. hopefully no news is good news

Smile


These days I fix cars, but the theory's the same.

I'm with everyone else; check the coolant, if it's low, top it up, then check the fan/thermo switch, as described elsewhere.

If you do have to top up the coolant, and you haven't had to before, check for leaks.
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 11 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

my bike stays clean becuase my car doesnt.



possible the fan has never worked then hahaa

im use to cleaning chunks of mud and chalk and all sorts of crap out of the radiator and mechanical parts of my car/jeep (i go off roading in it alot) and always use to a fan kicking in.

i dont tend to get stuck in traffic when on the bike so havent noticed the fan kicking in... i would imagen the fan would run even if the engine didnt. (ignition on) which means then.. if thats true.. it doesnt work.



right then coolent oil levels things like that i will check.
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PostPosted: 01:14 - 11 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

not bad considering the bike has done 24k since 1995
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 12 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

and just like that after checking oil and coolant..

it behaves again...

no problems.. :/

the sender packing up?
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 12 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderRus wrote:
and just like that after checking oil and coolant..

it behaves again...

no problems.. :/

the sender packing up?


Could be, but sensors normally either work or don't; check the wiring first, after 16 years of having crap thrown at them, the connectors might be getting a bit corroded by now.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 12 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderRus wrote:
and just like that after checking oil and coolant..

it behaves again...

no problems.. :/

the sender packing up?


I had a problem with my fan not cutting in too. I connected the fan directly to 12V and it worked without any problems so I knew the fan was okay. I then took out the switch and tested that. My procedure was as following:

1.Drain coolant
2.Remove Switch
3.Set multimeter to the Ohms setting to measure resistance.
4.Measure the resistance cold (Mine didn't conduct as cold so there was no reading on the multimeter)
5. Heat on stove for a long time, I then heard a 'click' and when testing the switch was allowing current to pass. Then as you bring it away from the stove you get another 'click' and it stops conducting again.

I knew that both the fan and the switch were working. I followed the circuit bad and checked connectors etc which were all working fine. In the end it was an earth problem. Basically the earth wire for the fan had corroded up where it met the frame. Bit of WD40 with wet and dry and it all works without any problems Smile

From where you are now, follow the wire from the fan back to the electric box of bits under the tank or whatever. Disconnect the connector and connect the fan straight to you 12v battery. You will know if it works or not because you will hear it Very Happy.

If it doesn't, then is faulty fan. If it does, go through the procedure above to check your switch!

Hope that helps
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