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Bendy
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Digital Still Camera recommendations? Reply with quote

I'm in the market for a new still camera, looking to spend up to about £250.

My current camera is a bog standard Finepix which I'm pretty happy with, except for the lack of zoom.

I borrowed a higher spec Fuji to take photos at the Maiden gig Saturday night (6x zoom jobbie) and it's an utterly terrible camera - the lag between pressing the shutter and the photo it takes could be measured in seconds, requiring a lot of predictive photo taking... I haven't looked at the results yet and I'm not too optimistic. Not something I want for trying to take photos of bikes.

So, has anyone got any recommendations for what's a good camera to buy? No links to camera websites please, I'm looking for personal recommendations of cameras or at least makes that you've actually used. Or advice on any to specifically avoid.,

Ta. Smile
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got an Olympus 350 Zoom and I've been more than happy with it. One of the lads I work with is a bit of a digital camera nut and recommended it. The only thing I would change is the f. rating for something with a lower rating. Mine is an f3.1 to 5.2, the lower the f rating the more light the camera lets into the lens and the better poor light and night performance you get. Have a look at something like the Olympus C-740 it's around £299 probably find it cheaper on the web. It's got 10x optical zoom and 3x digital, not that digital zoom is worth much, it's also got an f. rating of 2.8 - 3.7.

The other band that tends to get good reviews is Canon, so a similar priced Canon would also be worth looking at. I've never used them however, just seen some reviews then I was looking.
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Really depends what you want to take pics of.

I have a little Canon A10 which is an old 1.3mp camera but which has an optical viewfinder. Yes you can still get a bit of shutter lag, but it doesn't matter too much. The Sony we have (DSCF 505V) is terrible for shutter lag and also locks the image on the screen at this moment which makes it a real pain to take a picture of anything moving. The little Canon is now long superceeded but the current version is the A70 that is 3.2mp and costs about £245. Takes normal AA batteries (and rechargeable AA batteries are dirt cheap). Manages 1.6 frames per second. Think it is 3x optical zoom and 2x digital. Uses compact flash memory so that is simple and cheap. They have just brought out another upgraded version but not sure of the spec of that.

After that I would go for maybe a Fuji Finepic S602 for about £475

If you want to spend more then the Canon D30 I have can be got for around £400 second hand now (although that is without accessories), after which you need lenses. Shutter lag is not really perceptable.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

dainesefreak wrote:
I've got an Olympus 350 Zoom and I've been more than happy with it.

Snap. I got mine for £160 down Tottenham Court Road and it's a very nifty little thing, I'd recommend it. Takes great pictures and it's really quick to use.

I've seen them for as low as £150 online too, if you don't mind the wait.

https://www.unbeatable.co.uk/resources/images/products/large/111266a.jpg
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Bendy
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:


Really depends what you want to take pics of.


Close ups of bikes, generally moving quite fast, where I'm actually pretty close to the subject.

Closer photos from a distance, again of moving targets. Trackday photos for example.

Gig photos. No flash allowed and generally very dark surroundings and a bright stage. Exactly what I was having a nightmare with on Saturday night.
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

One other thing to look for is a video mode, I know you've got the cams and all, but it'll still be useful! Some of the cams have 640x video now with sound, which makes for good quality videos.

My dad bought a Canon Powershot G2 a while back, amazing pictures from it, incredible quality. Shutter lag differers on which shooting mode you use, but it's usually about half a second, but goes instantly on wide shots.
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

EvilBendy wrote:
Kickstart wrote:


Really depends what you want to take pics of.


Close ups of bikes, generally moving quite fast, where I'm actually pretty close to the subject.

Closer photos from a distance, again of moving targets. Trackday photos for example.

Gig photos. No flash allowed and generally very dark surroundings and a bright stage. Exactly what I was having a nightmare with on Saturday night.


Hi

Pretty close to what I wanted when I bought the D30. You would be surprised what lense you would need. At a track you cannot get THAT close. I have 2 lenses for the D30, a 28-90 and a 75-300. The 28-90 is fairly useless for moving shots. Stand at the edge of a roundabout and it will manage it, but that isn't really good enough (ie, you are still too far away to get a decent shot of someone head on as they come round the roundabout). The 75-300 is OK for most uses but even then is a bit short (unfortunatly the next up Canon lense is the 100-400 L IS USM lense that costs about £1200). These are the standard 35mm measurements, but with the size of the CMOS in the D30 leading to a multiplier on the lense size they are really equivalents of 35mm lenses of 45-145 and a 120-480.

Shutter lag is nominal. Can be set to various levels of sensitivity (like changing to a faster film on a normal camera), from (I think) ISO100 to ISO1600. Capable of aperture priority, shutter priority, full auto, full manual and various fixed modes (for example, sports mode where it tries to get the best shutter speed).

For a couple of example shots. First of G at Elvington. Charlotte took this pic. It hasn't been cleaned up at all, except compressing the jpeg a fair amount.

https://www.alfa-pages.co.uk/TempPicture/kr1sg3.jpg

This one was taken from the back of a moving truck

https://www.alfa-pages.co.uk/TempPicture/DangerousNickFull.jpg

This one was about as close as I would want to get to a bike going at a fair rate of knots, and was taken with the 75-300 lense.

https://www.alfa-pages.co.uk/TempPicture/img_0188.jpg

I know it is a hell of a lot of money for a camera but being honest I think it is worth it.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went and bought a Minolta Dimage Z1, excellent camera 10 times optical zoom!!, 3.2 mega pixels. Would highly reccomend it.

https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/Z1/Z1A.HTM
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sony 5 million pixel camera for £265.

Check out https://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/179_111066.html
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

i got a 3.3 MP camera from www.novatech.co.uk for £99.99

I now see why it was so cheap.

its pretty crap really... i was blinded by the 3.3MP crap

you can get very good quality photos from it, but the conditions have to be spot on and it doesnt even have a opitcal zoom

1st one i bought lasted a week before i broke it Rolling Eyes took it back to the typically shite novatech customer service and got it replaced, so far its been ok and had no problems...

reccomended camera if your after a decent but cheap one but its not as good as better branded cameras...
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Just outside your budget at £387 but there are these Fuji ones:-

https://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/shop/detail.asp?ProductID=1050&CategoryID=16&SubCategoryID=

6 meapixel output SLR style camera - from 3 megapixel Super CCD
Powerful 6x optical zoom lens (equivalent to 35-210mm zoom on 35mm)
Multiple shooting modes, 1.8" TFT screen, high speed 5 frame/sec mode
SmartMedia, CompactFlash and Microdrive compatible


Or well inside your budget:-

https://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/shop/detail.asp?ProductID=967&CategoryID=16&SubCategoryID=

3.95 million effective pixels, 2272 x 1704 pixel resolution
3x optical zoom & 2.5x digital, multiple focus and metering modes
Optical finder and TFT colour screen, movie mode, auto-flash
Fast USB connection, (NB Recon stock is supplied without memory card)

At £200 it isn't bad for a 4mp camera.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy this one Bendy:
mmmmmm
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PostPosted: 16:09 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmmmm, let me see. Who can I get a credit card from. The 1D would do me nicely although it is onlly something like 4.5mp it is damn fast. There is also the 1DS which is slower by far higher resolution 11mp.

All the best

Keiht
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Mmmmm, let me see. Who can I get a credit card from. The 1D would do me nicely although it is onlly something like 4.5mp it is damn fast. There is also the 1DS which is slower by far higher resolution 11mp.

All the best

Keiht


When you find out who's credit card can take this purchase, let me know so I can order one too!! Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting the card isn't the problem. Paying it off is the problem. The 1D is not much over £2000 these days, although the 1DS is around £6000.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Re: Digital Still Camera recommendations? Reply with quote

EvilBendy wrote:
...the Maiden gig Saturday night...


Hows was it Bendy? And what was the set list like, did they play much off Dance of Death?

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PostPosted: 17:10 - 24 Nov 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a Fuji FinePix A204. Cost £160ish for the cam, and another £40 for a 128Mb xD card (which over holds 200 1600x1200 pics, and almost 1,000 at 640x480). It comes with a 16Mb XD card.

Its got 3x optical zoom plus 2x digital zoom. If you can't find an A204 anywhere, I think the A203 is a very similar (if not identical) spec.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 21 Dec 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what did you get in the end Bendy and where did you get it? I'm looking to spend around £200 to get something decent (3.0MP+) that can also do short movies and also have some money for a 128 card.

I've just been looking at the recommendations here and searching them on Kelkoo.com. Is that the best place to find cheap choices? I'm hoping to get something by the time I go ski-ing (3rd January)
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 21 Dec 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have finpix a203 which is excellent. The best place to get cameras is from https://www.internetcamerasdirect.co.uk

They are offering Xmas delivery right up until 22nd December.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 21 Dec 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a Fuji Finepix A310 a couple of months ago and had no problems with delay......have taken some reasonable action shots of my son in his kayak playing in some weirs....
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 21 Dec 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monkeyboy1101 wrote:
I have finpix a203 which is excellent. The best place to get cameras is from https://www.internetcamerasdirect.co.uk

They are offering Xmas delivery right up until 22nd December.


Nice of you to tell people on the 21st though. Confused

I have a FujiFilm FinePix of some description with 3x optical zoom.
Don't know how much it cost as it was a gift.
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 21 Dec 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

The BeefMeister wrote:
Monkeyboy1101 wrote:
I have finpix a203 which is excellent. The best place to get cameras is from https://www.internetcamerasdirect.co.uk

They are offering Xmas delivery right up until 22nd December.


Nice of you to tell people on the 21st though. Confused

I have a FujiFilm FinePix of some description with 3x optical zoom.
Don't know how much it cost as it was a gift.


Give him a chance, he only joined the other day Confused .
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 21 Dec 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="The BeefMeisterNice of you to tell people on the 21st though. Confused

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I just re-surrected the thread today. Do you think he is obliged to randomly tell us about the delivery details of a camera company? Confused
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 21 Dec 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major_Grooves wrote:
So what did you get in the end Bendy and where did you get it?


I'm think I'm going to get a Dimage Z1 next month, once the fourth quarter's up and Amazon give us our commission. Smile
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 21 Dec 2003    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
Major_Grooves wrote:
So what did you get in the end Bendy and where did you get it?


I'm think I'm going to get a Dimage Z1 next month, once the fourth quarter's up and Amazon give us our commission. Smile


Excellent choice, you'll be really pleased with it, honestly.
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