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Jason4
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PostPosted: 01:32 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: 2005 hongdou 125cc Reply with quote
https://www.jeffrey-trading.com/id11.html

Are these any good? Only want it until I pass my full test so don't want spend too much on my first bike.

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PostPosted: 02:21 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Hongdou? No.

Spend £300 now for the bike, spend £500 fixing what will go wrong with it. Cheap chinese crap I'm afraid.


Kymco are better in my opinion, had a Kymco Agility 125 and a Kymco Pulsar as hire bikes when my bike was otherwise out of action. The Agility had obviously been run ragged but was quick up to 60mph, the Pulsar had the exact same feel as a CG and no visible rust/no loose nuts and bolts.
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Teflon-Mike
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PostPosted: 06:50 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
No they aren't.
Had a batch of them at the training school a while back; cheif instructor vowed NEVER to get any more, and HID every time he saw the (overworked!) Mechanic, waving something rusty!

Cheap 125's are often a falce ecconomy. See this:- 125's - Live Hard

Old addage is buy cheap, buy twice. And when it comes to 125's that far too often true.

In the long run, paying more for a better bike to begin with can work out a WHOLE load cheaper and easier.

Cheap learner bikes are often not the most confidence inspiring, and frequently unreliable. This does not give you the 'best' start for a long and enjoable biking career.

Then money and time spent trying to sort out faults, or lost reselling or scrapping a non runner or MOT fail, can prove expensive.

Pay the extra, buy a better bike to begin with, you have better chance of having a bike thats a damn site safer, more reliable, more comfortable, something you are less embaressed to be seen on, that does the job you want, doesn't cost you much money or cause you any grief.

Then, when you have quickly got your test out the way on it, can be sold on pretty much for what you paid for it, costing you a damn site less for the overall happier experience.
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
And irrespective of the quality issues, it's got a front drum brake. Really, there's no need for that.

If it's a perfect runner then it might be worthwhile offering £300 and treating it as disposable. Don't spend anything on it - you'll never get that money back.
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Teflon-Mike
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
it's got a front drum brake. Really, there's no need for that.

Uh?! What no need for a front brake?
To be fair, they were about the only bit on the school bikes that did work pretty well..... mechanic used to jest that it was there to stop you pushing the thing in a canal!

Fair enough to treat one as disposable, but that works out expensive motoring if you only get a few weeks use out of it for your money, against buying say an £800 YBR getting a years use out of it and getting perhaps £750 back at the end, with little or no hassle, inconvenience or expense in between.......
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Teflon-Mike wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
it's got a front drum brake. Really, there's no need for that.

Uh?! What no need for a front brake?


No need for fitting a front drum just because they cloned a CG that had one. They should have really pushed the boat out slapped a disk brake on instead. Otherwise why did we put a man on the moon? What was the point? Confused

And yes, I agree that spending more on a CG or YBR or something that will hold its value is a better deal if you're planning to sell it on. Just because you're prepared to buy a Hongdou doesn't mean you'll find anyone willing to buy it off of you.
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Teflon-Mike
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
No need for fitting a front drum just because they cloned a CG that had one. They should have really pushed the boat out slapped a disk brake on instead. Otherwise why did we put a man on the moon? What was the point? Confused

Hey, it was the Americans that put a man on the moon... the wrong one... and they brought him home again..... but they're americans.... what do you expect!
Chinese?
Now they built an Intercontinental Balistic Missile out of scrap dustbin lids and bits of string, and an anti-satalite missile made from old Sprite cans melted down in a charcoal forge!
So I reckon that the Drum brake on that thing isn't so much because the CG125 they copied had one, as a 'marketing feature' pandering to us capitolist western 'consumers'.
If it was up to the Chinkies it would have been fitted with bicycle type stirrup brakes.....
I mean, its Chinese.
If they can shoot down the American Star-Wars project with something based on a Lion-Brand Air-Rifle, then just think how great a drum brake they must be able to make!
(Actually, do you remember a couple of years ago when the Yanks & Chinks were having a willy waving competition and shooting old weather satalites out of orbit? The missile the Yanks used was one I actually had the displeasure of working on. On the guidance system, of all things! I REALLY can understand why they were a 'bit' worried about having to 'prove' thier capability! And proved EVERYTHING the Russians used to say about Western 'ordinance', which was that they (the Russians) got unlimited funds and resorses to design and build the 'best' military equipment they could, with whatever technology it took, while under the capitolist system, the Yanks got the least amount of funding to build the cheapest thing that would do the job! THAT particular anti-satalite missile, actually started out as an intermediate, long range, heavy deployement missile.... one down from a full ICBM, fired from a ship, and supposed to carry a heavy nuclear war-head. Left over from 'de-commissioning' after the cold war, some-one decided that RATHER than design a 'New' missile to face the threat of low orbit ordinance.... 'do something to use up all these old rockets'
The 'camel' a horse designed by committee... picture the scene, we have a fuck off big rocket, intended to carry a ten ton pay-load thousands of miles and deliver it with an accuracy..... well, with a ton of plutonium up its nose? Yeah, anything within a hundred mile radius will do! Yanks. Fuck how good it is, as long as there's a REALLY big bang at the end! And we had to redesign it to try and shoot down something the size of a foot-ball.... travelling at around about the speed of sound..... apparently we got the contract because we'd built a VERY high accuracy short-Range anti-Aircraft missile..... which the Yanks DIDN'T want, because it was very fast, and very accurate, but they thought that a short range missile should go further, and have a bigger bang at the end!)
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tvr321
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Teflon-Mike wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
No need for fitting a front drum just because they cloned a CG that had one. They should have really pushed the boat out slapped a disk brake on instead. Otherwise why did we put a man on the moon? What was the point? Confused

Hey, it was the Americans that put a man on the moon... the wrong one... and they brought him home again..... but they're americans.... what do you expect!
Chinese?
Now they built an Intercontinental Balistic Missile out of scrap dustbin lids and bits of string, and an anti-satalite missile made from old Sprite cans melted down in a charcoal forge!
So I reckon that the Drum brake on that thing isn't so much because the CG125 they copied had one, as a 'marketing feature' pandering to us capitolist western 'consumers'.
If it was up to the Chinkies it would have been fitted with bicycle type stirrup brakes.....
I mean, its Chinese.
If they can shoot down the American Star-Wars project with something based on a Lion-Brand Air-Rifle, then just think how great a drum brake they must be able to make!
(Actually, do you remember a couple of years ago when the Yanks & Chinks were having a willy waving competition and shooting old weather satalites out of orbit? The missile the Yanks used was one I actually had the displeasure of working on. On the guidance system, of all things! I REALLY can understand why they were a 'bit' worried about having to 'prove' thier capability! And proved EVERYTHING the Russians used to say about Western 'ordinance', which was that they (the Russians) got unlimited funds and resorses to design and build the 'best' military equipment they could, with whatever technology it took, while under the capitolist system, the Yanks got the least amount of funding to build the cheapest thing that would do the job! THAT particular anti-satalite missile, actually started out as an intermediate, long range, heavy deployement missile.... one down from a full ICBM, fired from a ship, and supposed to carry a heavy nuclear war-head. Left over from 'de-commissioning' after the cold war, some-one decided that RATHER than design a 'New' missile to face the threat of low orbit ordinance.... 'do something to use up all these old rockets'
The 'camel' a horse designed by committee... picture the scene, we have a fuck off big rocket, intended to carry a ten ton pay-load thousands of miles and deliver it with an accuracy..... well, with a ton of plutonium up its nose? Yeah, anything within a hundred mile radius will do! Yanks. Fuck how good it is, as long as there's a REALLY big bang at the end! And we had to redesign it to try and shoot down something the size of a foot-ball.... travelling at around about the speed of sound..... apparently we got the contract because we'd built a VERY high accuracy short-Range anti-Aircraft missile..... which the Yanks DIDN'T want, because it was very fast, and very accurate, but they thought that a short range missile should go further, and have a bigger bang at the end!)


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PostPosted: 16:08 - 02 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
buy the 2006 honda 125 cc storm if you can afford it.Much less hassle than that chinese thing.Plus you'll get most your money back when you come to sell it.........
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