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PostPosted: 20:53 - 31 Jan 2011    Post subject: someone mentioned speed cameras.... Reply with quote

is it just me that noticed the average speed check camera's on motorways all face forward therefore not being able to actually snap a bikes number plate?
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 31 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 20:58 - 31 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they face forward does it not mean that they take a photo of the back of the bike? I think you mean that they face backwards so are aimed at the front of the bike making them forward facing.

Yes I noticed.

They have special ones at the start and finish just for bikes. Rearwards facing so they point forwards.


Its all relative.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 31 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah.....


see I didn't know this and have been racing down the m1 from work to home for about a year now paying no attention whatsoever to speed cameras
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 31 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because they're over your side, they may still be rear facing, but for the other carriage way Wink
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 31 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If only bikes had a reverse gear Thinking


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PostPosted: 21:51 - 31 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/bootsThai/speedcamara.jpg

The only type I like..

Found this on FB

https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=62390223295

Ban Speed Cameras... I joined the group...

EDIT... Anyway I through that they where switching them off!!!!
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 31 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They switched them all off in Oxfordshire a few months back and they're switching them all back on again in a few weeks, after pressure from local anti-motoring groups.
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 31 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe they're just telling the anti-motoring mentals that they're turning them back on? It's not like they actually pay attention to evidence.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 31 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, that'd be a win/win for the council anyway. No more lentil-munchers giving them grief and the motorist actually thinking they're on (which would stop as many people risking lives as them being on in the first place), plus it would save the money needed to run the cameras.
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 31 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marki wrote:
If they face forward does it not mean that they take a photo of the back of the bike? I think you mean that they face backwards so are aimed at the front of the bike making them forward facing.

Yes I noticed.

They have special ones at the start and finish just for bikes. Rearwards facing so they point forwards.


Its all relative.


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PostPosted: 23:02 - 31 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nexus Icon wrote:
To be honest, that'd be a win/win for the council anyway. No more lentil-munchers giving them grief and the motorist actually thinking they're on (which would stop as many people risking lives as them being on in the first place), plus it would save the money needed to run the cameras.


This is the exact reason we had a cctv camera mounted on our garage Very Happy.. there just nothing in the casing Laughing works well, havent had anymore gypsies stealing our caravans Very Happy you just assume its working
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PostPosted: 00:48 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marki wrote:
They have special ones at the start and finish just for bikes. Rearwards facing so they point forwards.

Whereabouts have you seen this?

This statements sounds misinformed and misleading.


I have seen motorway average speed cameras that point at the rear of the vehicle. I can't remember where I've seen them, possibly on the M4 around six months ago. I think they looked identical to the common front facing cameras in every other regard. Certainly not commonly used though.


As well as the aforementioned unmarked traffic police cars, the other way you might get caught speeding on a bike is by a camera van. Notice how some motorway roadworks sections display signs warning of speed cameras but do not have any permanent cameras in place? Watch out for vans parked the other side of the metal barrier. I've seen marked up police vans twice on the m40 near h-wycombe a few months back (works there now finished). Harder to spot than you might think as you tend to automatically pay no attention to anything happening at the side of the road because of all the roadworks activity.
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is some on the dual carriage way just before the river trent pub in lincolnshire just before the oil refinery. They have been put up recently to catch bikes as it's a popular bike route.
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PostPosted: 02:08 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

can anyone still afford to run any kind of vehicle to get caught on speed cameras these days?
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PostPosted: 06:40 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nath wrote:
Marki wrote:
They have special ones at the start and finish just for bikes. Rearwards facing so they point forwards.

Whereabouts have you seen this?

This statements sounds misinformed and misleading.


Relax dude, I made it up.








Or did I?
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think the thing with the front cameras is that they where invented to take a picture of some1s face so there is no mis-understanding who is driving the car... I keeping the full-face lid.. Smile
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

A year or two ago on the A39 down by Exeter at some roadworks I saw an average speed camera facing rearwards. No idea if it was functional etc but it was definitely turned around to look at the back of you.

Probably there as a deterrent to the biking community tbh.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

SPECS works by checking when a vehicle passes one point by recording its numberplate and checking when that same numberplate passes another point. Known distance and the time gives the average speed.

With no numberplate on view to the cameras it has no way of telling when the bike passed either of the cameras, beyond an operator manually sitting there to work it out.

However there are some rearward facing cameras now. Some just north of Brum near Bassetts Pole on the A38.

Most of the speed cameras in Staffs are being turned off. Funny how when they no longer get paid for their empire building there suddenly become better ways of keeping down road deaths.

All the best

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PostPosted: 16:19 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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SPECS works by checking when a vehicle passes one point by recording its numberplate and checking when that same numberplate passes another point. Known distance and the time gives the average speed.

With no numberplate on view to the cameras it has no way of telling when the bike passed either of the cameras, beyond an operator manually sitting there to work it out.

However there are some rearward facing cameras now. Some just north of Brum near Bassetts Pole on the A38.

Most of the speed cameras in Staffs are being turned off. Funny how when they no longer get paid for their empire building there suddenly become better ways of keeping down road deaths.

All the best

Keith


I wouldn't count on them being switched off for too long. I had a "discussion" on a speed awareness course, the course leader said no one makes any profit from speed cameras. I told her it was disingenuous at best to say that, as what they do is create an awful lot of well paid jobs, (hers being one of them). And those profiting from the cushy numbers they're on will fight to keep them.
AA, RAC, and ACPO to name but three.
It didn't go down well with her.


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PostPosted: 16:32 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just depends on how loud mouthed those who make their livings from speed cameras are.

By the way, did you ask them how they got away with extorting bribes (ie, getting you to pay for a course) in exchange for not prosecuting you?

All the best

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PostPosted: 16:39 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whether speed cameras make money and who for I am not sure. What I am sure about is that they cost money to install, run and maintain.

So if you want rid of speed cameras, slow down, do not speed and they will have to be removed as they are now costing a fortune to run.

In the meantime, whilst the rate of accidents may not decline, the severity of accidents will, as the likely hood of serious injury or death increases with speed due to the higher impact forces.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aren't average speed camera's mostly in areas where there are roadworks? In those area it stands to reason that they remove the cameras once the roadworks are complete.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayrshire and going to Stranraer has average speed cameras. They appeared for road works and stayed.
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
Aren't average speed camera's mostly in areas where there are roadworks? In those area it stands to reason that they remove the cameras once the roadworks are complete.


Sometimes. Study a few years ago found that average speed cameras increased accidents in road works, although not at much as normal speed cameras did, compared to road works without either.

However plenty of places with fixed average speed cameras. Nottingham ring road was one of the first places that suffered from them.

It is acknowledged that the safest speed to set a speed limit is the 85th percentile speed. The speed at which 85% of people will drive in the absence of external controls (including speed limits and people dawdling). Setting the limit higher or lower than that will cause more accidents. So forcing people to slow down will cause more accidents. Trouble is the numpties who spout the speed kills rubbish will see the increase and just say the limit needs to be even lower.

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