FAST cheapest DAS to full licence

[outlaw]

any advice on the cheapest/ fastest way to get trow my DAS test

Im not new to riding and ab bit rusty a as iv not rode for about 15years

rode on all sorts road and off road

but never bothered geting a full licence
ie no police elicopters and em all in mini metros

ie was a bad lad lol

older and wiser now so lots of years riding and many bikes

im in my 40`s now and decided its time for a bike lol rather than the coke and hookers before my bones creak too much

as i can inshaw anything for peanuts nuts now even woth 0 no claims on bikes have long full car lice and 15years no claim seems to make a masice difference

crazy i know but i could inshaw a full power vmax for 120quid a year
not that i want one alreay got a bike i want
fell like a 16 year old getting his first fizzy after leaving bike dealers
dont think anything has give me a biger buzz in the last 20years as buying the bike

all ready sorted me self a bike to be dilivered wednesday

as iv done neally 10grand on bike and new gear as my new 500 quid helmet 15year years ago had disintigrating powerered foam when fished out of cupboard

just dont tell the mrs lol or ill be geting gravl rash from her chaseing down the road

i really want to try and do das as cheap as poss and least amount of agro

been ringing round das intrutors

was dreading the cbt on a poxie littel road based 125 as im tall and the half a day leture about gear and how to start a bike and put it on stand


one trainer sugested that he put me on a 125 for a few laps and then everything ok strait a er500 for a road ride for cbt

can they get away with that ?

as i have a job gettin me boot round littel pegs and gear on one that small with my size elevens and 34inch legs

dont fit em well so at 17 had to get a dt125lc back in the 80`s

any advice from anyone that done the same pitfalls etc
for getting trow as das after a lot of rideing experiance and long break
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[P.]

Please don't take offence, but you came across as a 16 year old! before I saw your age was going to say it's quite unlikely to do much but your CBT!

Quickest way to DAS, just do the DAS courses provided by your local school? You need the theory test as well. If you want to be restricted to 33hp for 2 years do the mod1 and mod2?

There's not alot of options really

[Alex A]

[pinkyfloyd]

I'm with the above. That was as hard to read as many of them chav text speak facebook messages people get hounded with.

If you have just spent 10 grand as you claim on a new bike and gear then you dont need to be asking us the cheapest way to do DAS. Seems you've got money to burn so just do the DAS course and then buy a bike.

Also, without sounding patronising. Please use the spell checker that the kind site builder has supplied. It will make your posts more readable.
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[Skudd]

You may have loads of bad habits that you gained in your youth, so you may take longer to learn the way that is needed to pass your test than someone who is new.
In saying that, you will have some road knowledge that new riders may not have.
Learning to ride a bike takes as long as it takes and there are no real short cuts. i know many people who say that it took 3 days, but it was 10 hours a day so was 30 hrs, others may say it took 2 weeks but was 2 hours a day so actually took less time.
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[kingsknight]

Reading that post was like trying to read a text from my 16 year old cousin. lol


As you said you are 40 so its going to cost you next to nothing to "inshaw" any bike you like
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[outlaw]

shorry guys but i am dislexsic

I can all ready ride is what` i was saying. in my bad youth i never cared if i had a licence

im over 40 just aint rode for a few years last bike was a fj1200
started riding on road at 17 with a dt125 had loads of bike since then

was riding for over 20years

setteld down about 16years ago etc wife car the ushall
now want to get riding again

so a bit saner now and will be legal

so i was asking about current test any tips about bad habets etc too just get throw test quick so i can get out again lol

all the experiance road sence is there all i am is a but rusty

got a new bike being delivered on wednesday

and want to get pass a unlimted DAS as soon as lol
and not cock up on some stupid bad habits

i was asking id any has done a das later in life and had rode for years had any tips on pit falls of new tests that was all

i am taking a DAS very soon and yes can afford it but dident want to was money ona daft screw up like forgeting to sit with foot on bake brake and silly stuff like that
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[Glenben92]

[pinkyfloyd]

First thing you'll need is the CBT. If you go for the CBT then ask the school to do an assesment. They'll have a look at your riding style and give you a rough idea on how many lessons / days it will take to be ready for your tests.

I went for mine I was told 5 days. I had ridden for years back in Northern Ireland where they have no CBT so I learnt as I went and picked up bad habits. The 5 day course turned out to be 3 days riding on the bigger bike and 2 test days.
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illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
Hockeystorm65:.well there are childish arguments...there are very childish arguments.....there are really stupid childish arguments and now there are......Pinkfloyd arguments!
Teflon-Mike:I think I agree with just about all Pinky has said.

[outlaw]

[waffles]

You must do:

CBT - 1 day
Theory test - an hour
Mod 1 - Half an hour or so plus journey to and from
Mod 2 - Half an hour or so plus journey to and from

Unless you want a restricted licence you will need to go with a school who can let you use on of their 500cc bikes. The way I undertsood it was that you CANNOT do a CBT on a bike bigger than 125cc because the CBT limits you to that. Theoretically you could get your licence in three days providing you have already sat your theory so one day for each element. Obviously if you fail one part it then takes the 7 days for a Mod 1 rebook and 10 days for a mod 2.
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Past rides Yamaha XT125X, Triumph TT600, Honda XR250
Current rides Suzuki GSXR 600, Honda MSX125

[outlaw]

[Teflon-Mike]

OK, You want to do this cheap? Or you want to do it well?
If you ant to do it on the cheap, being seriouse here, stash the harley for later, go buy a 125.
Don't matter its a piss-ant CG125 or something, your a bit scrunched on, it'll do the job... and you'll pay as much for it as a DAS course, but have something you can flog at the end of it.
So, you buy a 125, take your time. YOU KNOW rushing stuff on a bike is a sure fire way to hurt yourself, like forgetting to prime the oil pump on a gamma, yeah?
So, take your time, do it right.
Do CBT... book 125 road-training.
Its 'cheap'.
Sending Snowie for training, CBT (she has to repeat) + seven weekly two hour road training sessions is £180... as opposed to over £600 for a DAS course.
Have a bit of fun on the tiddler, practicing of the evenings or whenever between lessons, becouse believe me, the modern tests are a FUCK site more difficult and demanding than the old wobble round the block test of yore! And being able to ride these days is only a miniscule part of passing a test!
Was sat next to Snowie going through her theory questions, and GEEZ! I thought she was doing a bludy medical exam for a lot of it!
So in the words of Yoda... "unlearn Young Sjywalker, Unlearn you must!"
You will have an awful lot of stuff that is new to deal with, and a lot of old habbits and ideas to 'get over'...
so pretend your a kid again, starting from scratch, and do it that way.
If you stack your lessons, two a week, you could be holding full licence in a month.
It will be a 'restricted' 33bhp licence, but it will be a licence.... mission accomplished, or at least phase one.
All your early riding mistakes will be on a shit-bag 125 you don't intend to keep, not scratching the chrome on your Harley, yeah?
And flogging the 125, with 33bhp licence in your pocket, you are £400 minimum up on what you would have spent on DAS.
NOW you can either get the Hardley 'restricted'... you say you dont want to tear about the place, harleys dont make much power any way, could be done....
alternatively, you now only have to to do accelerated access, to get a full licence if you dont want to strangle the hog more than it already is.
So rather than paying expensive DAS fees for the full course, you simply have to repeat MOD 1 and Mod 2 on a full power bike.... which you already have, saving hire fees.
Get a full licence holder to ride it to and from the test centre for you, when you do the accelerated access tests, you pay the Mod1 and Mod 2 fees over, £120ish, rather than the £400+ DAS course.
and since you have JUST done it all on a 125, should be a breeze doing it again on a bigger bike....
and if you fail, you dont have to fork out for a full DAS course over, JUST the retest fees
You Dont actually have to do a DAS course to do a DAS test, though many presume so... DAS scheme merely allows you to get a full licence straight off taking the tests on a full-power bike...
In theory, you could book up to do 125 training, but take your bike to test centre and do DAS tests, which would be cheaper still, BUT, only save you £120 and make it hard work...
Thing is, I know where you are coming from, BUT, two things, first is although you have ridden for years, and have a lot of experience, and it shoudl just be a paper exersise, its not, you didn't do your training and tests way back when, you haven't ridden for upety years, even if you HAD done your tests umpity years ago, training would be useful.
Getting your tests, is far from a walk in the park, AND those years riding and driving, actually are working against you, not for you, especially if you never learned the 'right way' way back when, and approved practice way back when hasn't changed!
so, treat it as a bit of fun.... take your time, dont rush, pretend to be 17 again, have a laugh, string it out and get as MUCH as you can from your training as you can.
Bottom line is you dont HAVE to have any, so if you are going to pay for some, dont treat it as a bit of red-tape hassle, get as much value from it as you can....
Training is training at teh end of teh day, but, DAS is bludy expensive, and schools if you are eligible, will push you towards it, becouse it is where they make thier money. They CAN charge a lot for DAS becouse its at the top end of the market, and they have to be more highly qualified instructors, and usually have to provide bigger bikes.... but bottom line is training is training, and you can get just as much doing it on a tiddler, and ONLY doing the bits you have to on a big-bike.....
But its the approach that I reccomend you think about....
The tests now, are demanding.
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[kingsknight]

Teflon..... he just told you he was dyslexic. No need to write a book on the matter

I'm dyslexic as well, that is why I use google chrome explore as It has a built in spell checker!
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[Noxious89123]

I haven't read the entire thread, as many of the posts are very long and not the easiest to read...

I know of an older gentleman who for many years rode without a licence, and only a few years ago bothered to get one. He took about 9 attempts to pass his test, despite "already being able to ride". I was riding for a year on a CBT, before I did my test, so was still a novice rider. I passed 2nd time round. If you've been riding for years without a licence, then with regards to actually passing a test, you don't know how to ride at all. Remember, you're not being taught how to ride a bike, you're being taught how to pass a test. They're two rather different things.

And whilst I am sympathetic to the fact that you might have trouble with reading/writing/spelling, that is no excuse whatsoever for not using a spell checker. If I am writing anything other than a short comment, I'll run it through MS Word to check my spelling and grammar before posting, so that I don't make myself look like a bellend.
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[fiery tupp]

It was the same for me a good while back now , when I started taking driving lessons before my car test, after driving on a
provisional for 15 years .
On my first lesson of the only three I needed ,the instructor said I was a good driver , but to pass the test I had to drive like a
learner & not like.. Niki Lauda ( yeh another oldie ) & loose the bad driving habits , that I had picked up as you will have no doubt .

The instructer will tell you what to do & what not to do , first hand we can't
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[Clanger]

Myself and the President of a motorbike club that I know, were 'caught up' by the DVLA back in 1997 when the rules changed, and despite riding big bikes for many many years... STILL had to do the CBT.

Both of us decided to the DAS route, I did mine in 4 days, he did his in 3. Basically mine consisted of 1 day CBT on 125cc, one day on the road on 125cc, and 2 days on the 500cc and then test on the last afternoon.

I have no idea if the rules have changed since...I suspect they have. From the sounds of it, the prices haven't changed that much. I think mine was £350-400.

HTH.
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[outlaw]

[outlaw]

are finally this is the sort of stuff i was looking for

https://www.lightningpass.com/jkcm/COURSE+INFORMATION/HOW+TO+FAIL+YOUR+TEST

and any ones personal experaiances etc.


from reading that my only bad habits i can think of is the siting with foot on back brake

and just useing frount brake

i could never see the point of that as

yes in a car the hand brake may stop you going forward in next car if a lighter car hits you

but on a bike your still going airborn weather you foots on it or not

and you foots going to come off it anyway

unless it a tiny slow kiss from moron behind

and making the obsovation blatent and obious so the examiner sees you doing them


the rest is just bloody common sence if you can ride
like with car test with exagerated movmens so they see you do em
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[waffles]

I did my Mod 2 in October

Whenever you go from one speed limit to another check both mirrors before accelerating/braking.

Quick shoulder check over both before moving off from traffic light etc unless you have only just stopped.

Left/right mirror then shoulder check before moving position in the road.

If two roads merge into one, do a quick mirror/shoulder check to make sure no cars are sneaking up.

Stick to the speed limits.

Leave a decent gap from the vehicle in front when pulling up to lights or junctions incase they roll back.

Lifesaver over right shoulder when exiting roundabouts.

Make good progress, filtering is OK if you think it is safe. If you have any doubts about it then don't bother. The more time you spend stuck in traffic the less time you have riding.

The new section of the test involves the examiner telling you to navigate to X and he/she will then stop giving you instructions. You lead for 10 minutes using the road signs and then they will tell you to pull over. If you go the wrong way it doesn't matter.

Listen carefully to what the examiner says. "Take the next available left/right" may not mean take the next left/right so watch out for one way signs.

"Mirror, mirror, indicate, shoulder check, change road position" shall be your new mantra when making a turn.

Im sure there is lots I have forgotten or people will correct but basically ride like a saint. I just dug out the ride report I have from my Mod 2 so can give you a list of everything you can get a minor or major fault for. You are allowed a certain number of minors but any majors get you an instant fail.
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Theory test - 19/8/09, CBT - 11/10/09, MOD 1 - 16/8/10, MOD 2 - 27/10/10
Past rides Yamaha XT125X, Triumph TT600, Honda XR250
Current rides Suzuki GSXR 600, Honda MSX125

[outlaw]

[robocog]

Don't get flustered or paranoid when they ask you to pull in more than once
I think we did this a few more times on my Mod2 than I was expecting
2 on hills and once in a really busy area (I think he was wanting to see how I reacted to having to use my judgement as to a safe pulling in place for 2 bikes)

Mod 2, the easiest part for me, was just like riding with a sat nav in my ear giving instructions so just relax and have a safe ride
(just ride normally TBH - if you are changing speed, direction or lane....you need to be seen checking mirrors and doing a lifesaver, just like you should be doing anyway, If changing direction or lanes , mirror signal lifesaver and manoeuver...just as per normal everyday riding)

I /think/ at the end of the day they are assessing your attitude - what they are looking for is a rider who is confident enough to be safely let loose on the roads ..but not overly confident and feels this is the end of the learning curve (attitude)

having a license is just the beginning - show them you are ready and open to learn the rest on your own (attitude)

Going in with the attitude of being a better/more experienced rider than them, or a bit peeved that they have the cheek to question your leet skills will not get you off to a good start (and I would suspect they would be immediately looking for mistakes to knock you down a peg or 3 and them wanting to fail you before you even started the bike)

Also getting a mate to trailer the bike or ride it to the test centers AFAIK will not work - as you would need valid insurance for both modules, not sure if any insurer would actually be that happy with insuring you for a bike you are not yet licensed to ride?
I could be wrong on the above, but you would have to look into it and weigh up the costs

...Just for completeness I did CBT on a 125, bought a 125 did a year of occasional work commuting (not many miles at all) and lots of slow speed practice, did the theory, did mod 1 twice -failed first time due to locking rear wheel on the emergency stop then did the Mod 2 completely drama free

All of this was without any tuition, and without any real previous motorbike experience and done over the course of a year(ish)

Sold the 125 for the same amount I bought it for, so all in it wasn't that expensive (criteria #1) and done at a pace which suited me

DAS was too expensive for me- I bought the 125 , taxed and insured it for less than the cost of DAS and I decided a 2 year restriction wasn't a bad thing
(Turns out 33 ponies is plenty enough for what I want, agreed I won't win any pissing matches in the pub...but that's not why I wanted a bike, plus I don't drink socially)

I would not have managed the above if I was "hiring an unfamiliar" bigger bike for each module and didn't have access to it for practice sessions (which cost - and you would have to be accompanied - which costs)

- especially for the slow speed and tighter turn stuff on mod1 where knowing the bike's turning circle and its slow speed "feel" and clutch biting point/balance made those parts completely drama free for me on a bike I was very familiar with

Theres a few good vids on youtube of Mod1 and 2, watch them and have a look at what's involved

I know you just want a piece of paper to allow you to ride your bike....but thems the hoops you have to jump through
Any hoops you fail to jump through involves extra ££ and an added frustrating wait

Choose your steed to take you through this wisely

If you watch the vids of mod 1 and 2 on youtube and think you could hop onto an ununfamiliar big bike and "just do it" without putting a foot wrong (or down) ..then fair play to you and go for it


Regards
Rob
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[outlaw]

[robocog]

CBT was a hoot for me
Hadn't ridden a bike since I was a nipper - and they took me at a pace which worked for me
The putting it on and off the stand etc is such a small fraction of the training - theres no way you would be insulted by it (unless you really made a pigs ear of it the couple of times you do it and they force you to do it till you do it "right")

Basically he showed us how to do it, you do it a couple of times...and thats it, its out of the way and done
Same with wheeling the bike, he will show you the right way, then you do it (and you will have to do all of this on the Mod 1, so get it nailed, clip a cone or drop the bike, forget to lifesaver - yes even when wheeling the bike - and its £15 or whatever up the swanny and a very frustrating wait till you can even apply to do it again)

Didn't find a single part of the CBT that wasn't relavant, boring or did nothing to inspire confidence I could handle the machine before hitting the road

Was a fun day out and was gutted when it ended TBH
Enjoy it

Regards
Rob

Edited to add, dunno what other CBT's are like but our guy basically showed and made us perform basically everything that we would do on Mod 1, bar having a timing trap and the swerve and gave constant constructive criticism and advice
We were encouraged to do the manuovers as many times as we liked till we felt comfy doing them and moving on to the next

When we were doing the on road section, he had us doing the U turns on a side road (and pointed out it was not /really/ part of the CBT, but he would prefer us to be comfy doing it as we would be needing it at some point in the future, taking the test or not)
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