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DEN MONKEY
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Fueling up tips. Reply with quote

Just something I spotted on another site.
Thought it may be of interest to everyone.



>>>> TIPS ON FILLING YOUR CAR(S) (Good information)
>>>>
>>>> PLEASE MAKE TIME TO READ THIS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what you guys are paying for petrol.... but here in
>>>> Durban we are also paying higher, up to R7.35 per litre. But my
>>>> line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some
>>>> tricks to get more of your money's worth for every litre.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here at the Marian Hill Pipeline where I work in Durban, we
>>>> deliver about 4 million litres in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline.
>>>> One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and petrol, LRP and
>>>> Unleaded. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of
>>>> 16,800,000 litres.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Only buy or fill up your car or bakkie in the early morning when the
>>>> ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations
>>>> have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the
>>>> more dense the fuel, when it gets warmer petrol expands, so buying
>>>> in the afternoon or in the evening....your litre is not exactly a
>>>> litre. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the
>>>> temperature of the petrol, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other
>>>> petroleum products plays an important role. A 1-degree rise in
>>>> temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations
>>>> do
>>>> not have temperature compensation at the pumps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a
>>>> fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3)
>>>> stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on
>>>> low
>>>> speed, thereby minimizing the vapours that are created while you are
>>>> pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapour return. If you are pumping
>>>> on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes
>>>> vapour. Those vapours are being sucked up and back into the underground
>>>> storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One of the most important tips is to fill up when your tank is HALF
>>>> FULL. The reason for this is, the more fuel you have in your tank the
>>>> less air occupying its empty space. petrol evaporates faster than you
>>>> can imagine. Petroleum storage tanks have an internal floating roof.
>>>> This
>>>> roof serves as zero clearance between the petrol and the atmosphere, so
>>>> it
>>>> minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work,
>>>> every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every litre
>>>> is actually the exact amount.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another reminder, if there is a fuel truck pumping into the storage
>>>> tanks when you stop to buy, DO NOT fill up--most likely the
>>>> petrol/diesel
>>>> is being stirred up as the fuel is being delivered, and you might pick
>>>> up
>>>> some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope this will help you get the most value for your money.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS!

I found it interesting. How much difference these tips make I have no idea but might be worth a try.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: Fueling up tips. Reply with quote

DEN MONKEY wrote:
I found it interesting. How much difference these tips make I have no idea but might be worth a try.


Probably about half a litre in a thousand.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: Fueling up tips. Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
DEN MONKEY wrote:
I found it interesting. How much difference these tips make I have no idea but might be worth a try.


Probably about half a litre in a thousand.

So we all complain about the fuel we get for our money,if I can get half a litre more over 1000 litres I'll take it, every little helps Exclamation
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeh it makes a big difference to the oil companies but to the average user, probably barely anything. So little it is not worth paying extra attention to.

If you worked for a company and were in charge of buying all the fuel 10,000+ litres a week or something then it would make a difference maybe.

He has said this because he has been dealing in millions of litres. TBH, could have been written by anyone who has basic knowledge of the fluid dynamics of petrol and was bored enough to research it.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm wonder if anyone has done a video of petroleum and the increase in volume on temperature.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm wonder if anyone has done a video of petroleum and the increase in volume on temperature.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time is money, so while filling up on the slow setting of the nozzle, it will take you 3 times as long.
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coefficient of expansion of petrol is .00095/C°

So basic math tells us that per 1 degree rise = 0.095% increase in volume

So for every 10 degrees petrol rises in temperature, you lose 0.95% of what you pay for.

I imagine on a hot day in summer the most an underground petrol tank will rise in temperature will be is 10 degrees, the pumps themselves won't be 100% accurate, you will lose more sitting there for 3 times as long letting all the fuel evaporate out the fuel cap then it makes almost no difference.
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

outlaw wrote:
my motor only does 15 to the gallon in town

so i worked out geting the bike and riding it on average 2 days a week
what i save on petrol in car will pay for running the bike and still leave me 3 and a half grand better off ayear lol


Walk or get a pushbike!
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought this was going to be....,

I don't know what you guys are paying for petrol.... But stop pouring it all over the fkin forecourt!
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever saving you would make from all of those tips would disappear when you ride in and out of a petrol station twice as often because you're filling up when your tank is only half full.

My fuel saving tips are don't use your brakes, and get into a racing crouch on the motorway. Bum up high, toes on pegs. It's quite comfy too. And these will actually save you money Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

tip the dregs out of all the nozzles just after the station closes on a night, bet you'll save more than by getting there at 8am for a fill up.

While on the subject of fuel, in Austria on sat unleaded cost me £1.08 a litre
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
Whatever saving you would make from all of those tips would disappear when you ride in and out of a petrol station twice as often because you're filling up when your tank is only half full.

My fuel saving tips are don't use your brakes, and get into a racing crouch on the motorway. Bum up high, toes on pegs. It's quite comfy too. And these will actually save you money Thumbs Up


I do this to get funky looks from car drivers, it really doesn't look good at motorway speeds :p
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acemastr wrote:
ms51ves3 wrote:
Whatever saving you would make from all of those tips would disappear when you ride in and out of a petrol station twice as often because you're filling up when your tank is only half full.

My fuel saving tips are don't use your brakes, and get into a racing crouch on the motorway. Bum up high, toes on pegs. It's quite comfy too. And these will actually save you money Thumbs Up


I do this to get funky looks from car drivers, it really doesn't look good at motorway speeds :p


I don't care what I look like, I'm saving money and it's comfier than getting battered by the wind. Win-win.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 12 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

on the subject of getting ripped off, can anyone tell me why we are allowed to sell fuel in a price per litre that doesn't exist in our currency.. ie .9 pence? when we can no longer sell sweets and stuff in lb and ounces Question .
I work at a garage that has fuel pumps too and nobody there knows lol
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 13 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The temp thing thing is a bit of a non starter.
Check your tank after you fill up on a hot day. How does it feel.... Oh its gone all cold...
Underground tanks tend to stay at a constant temp.

As to filling up when the tanker is there. many simply won't let you due to H/S and the greater risk of a accident.

Filling up when only half full, as you are saving on evaporation.... Sounds more like a garage scam to get you back to the pumps quicker Rolling Eyes
Yes fuel evaporates when hot. But how much do you lose comparing a full to a half full tank. Bet its not much.

Save far more money if many people changed their driving style and used common sense with their approach to driving. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 13 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some garages here have temperature readouts on the pumps, so presumably linked to this theory.
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 13 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="ms51ves3"]
ms51ves3 wrote:
Whatever saving you would make from all of those tips would disappear when you ride in and out of a petrol station twice as often because you're filling up when your tank is only half full.

My fuel saving tips are don't use your brakes, and get into a racing crouch on the motorway. Bum up high, toes on pegs. It's quite comfy too. And these will actually save you money



Just avoid wasting petrol by accelerating hard and revving unnecessarily, try to maintain a constant steady speed using natural engine braking and the wind in preference to manual brakes.
I also like to freewheel where possible, coasting in neutral probably adds a few mpg.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 13 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paxovasa wrote:
Time is money, so while filling up on the slow setting of the nozzle, it will take you 3 times as long.


This pretty much.

You may create more vapour from using the petrol pump at the higest setting but you fill up faster. Surely if petrol evapourates that fast then the longer you have the tank open the more vapour will be created. Petrol tanks are in essence an air tight sealed unit until you open them. The moment you open the tank to fill you're opening the petrol inside to the elements and it will start to evaporate.

Seems a false economy to me to be honest. And would need a more detailed research
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 13 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
Petrol tanks are in essence an air tight sealed unit until you open them. The moment you open the tank to fill you're opening the petrol inside to the elements and it will start to evaporate.


Petrol tanks have to have vents or you would simply never be able to draw fuel out.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 13 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
pinkyfloyd wrote:
Petrol tanks are in essence an air tight sealed unit until you open them. The moment you open the tank to fill you're opening the petrol inside to the elements and it will start to evaporate.


Petrol tanks have to have vents or you would simply never be able to draw fuel out.


Very good point.

I'll add my above statement about being air tight to the stupid bike question thread Very Happy .
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