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PostPosted: 01:23 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: That whine... Reply with quote

I have liked vfr's since I saw one a couple of years back. Its not really the high revving sound, its the low revving sound. The mixture of the v4 slowly revving and this 'whine' I am on about. This is the only reason, sort of, why I want a vfr.

After watching a video just a second ago, it seems cb500's have it.

Now do any other bikes have this same whine, preferably twin?

And what causes the whine and why?

Just trying to further my knowledge Smile
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PostPosted: 01:30 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: That whine... Reply with quote

I always thought part of the VFR 'whine' was the gear driven cams, which the CB500 won't have.
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PostPosted: 01:34 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whine is from the straight cut cam gears. The cbr400 has them too (I think), as for a twin? I'm not too sure but the sp1/2 might have them...

EDIT: G beat me too it
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PostPosted: 01:35 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whine is caused by the straight cut gears for the cam shafts, most of the NC series have them, such as the CB-1, CB400, CBR400, RVF400, the Hornet 250 also had them.

I'm not sure of any others, but it's pretty much unique to the baby Honda's from the late 80's and early/mid 90's (although there are sure to be others I haven't listed and from outside that time)

EDIT: G beat me too Sad
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PostPosted: 01:41 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are mine,

CBR400
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE5LMRVRjYc&feature=BF&list=UL2fHVzcEdux0&index=12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL_9u9oVIto&feature=BF&list=UL2fHVzcEdux0&index=14

VFR400
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNiIbGzf14A&feature=autoplay&list=UL2fHVzcEdux0&index=18&playnext=2

Should be able to hear the whine on all of them quite well, the VFR's is more prominent because there's 2 lots of them
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PostPosted: 02:33 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: That whine... Reply with quote

HD wrote:
it seems cb500's have it.


Probably just a bit of gearbox whine
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PostPosted: 04:44 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

the sp1 and 2 were chain driven

its only the cbr 250/400's
and the vfr series up to the vtec 800s and including the vf1000r
apprilia is bringing out gear driven cams for there rsv4

and ducati have bevel driven cams in there older bikes
and there race rep D16RR has proper gear driven cams
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PostPosted: 04:51 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also got the mega bucks RC30 and RC45, they were gear driven too Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whine on bikes with chain driven cams is probably the primary gear. Many bikes have spur geared primaries, and I've yet so see one that didn't have spur gears in the gearbox.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

SP1 and 2 had gear driven cams, absolutely unmistakeable sound Thumbs Up

It was the little VTR firestorm that was chain driven afaik. That RSV4 gear kit is pretty much unobtainable though which is a huge shame as I wager it'd sound utterly immense on a road bike.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seb wrote:
SP1 and 2 had gear driven cams, absolutely unmistakeable sound Thumbs Up

It was the little VTR firestorm that was chain driven afaik. That RSV4 gear kit is pretty much unobtainable though which is a huge shame as I wager it'd sound utterly immense on a road bike.


The Firestorm has a whirring whine to it when your riding it. Its distinctive and it gets replaced by the clatter of the pipes as you open her up.

Sounds lovely though but it is an aquired taste and takes a little getting used to if you come from the gentle buzzing of an inline 4.
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: That whine... Reply with quote

HD wrote:
I have liked vfr's since I saw one a couple of years back. Its not really the high revving sound, its the low revving sound. The mixture of the v4 slowly revving and this 'whine' I am on about. This is the only reason, sort of, why I want a vfr.

After watching a video just a second ago, it seems cb500's have it.

Now do any other bikes have this same whine, preferably twin?

And what causes the whine and why?

Just trying to further my knowledge Smile


my cb500 has that whine.the only reason i bought one.The vfr's are to much to insure at the moment..My dads old cx 500 does to.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love. That. Whine!
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would seriously consider buying a vfr but they just get ruined.by 17 year olds. With the il4s though, I don't feel they compliment the gear driven cams (see I'm learning Wink )

Hmm...
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

HD wrote:
I would seriously consider buying a vfr but they just get ruined.by 17 year olds. With the il4s though, I don't feel they compliment the gear driven cams (see I'm learning Wink )

Hmm...


Not all are ruined by 17 year olds, mine was ruined by a 28 year old and now me, an 18 year old is having to rebuild the bloody thing Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The firestorm are chain driven. and SP1/2 along with a few 400s are gear driven. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 14 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Want an unmistakable whine from straight-cut cam gears?

Stand next to a revving Daytona 675 triple. Thumbs Up.

Goes through all the sound types, low grumble of a V6, throaty growl of a twin to the scream of an IL4.. All the while having that LOVELY whine.

Fantastic engine. Thumbs Up.
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PostPosted: 18:38 - 15 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:

The Firestorm has a whirring whine to it when your riding it. Its distinctive and it gets replaced by the clatter of the pipes as you open her up.

Sounds lovely though but it is an aquired taste and takes a little getting used to if you come from the gentle buzzing of an inline 4.


Certainly not from gear driven cams as they're renowned for CCT failure.

Mine never used to whine, but it did have some loud pipes on it.
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