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PostPosted: 15:36 - 17 Apr 2011    Post subject: Calling all that live in one bed flats Reply with quote

How much is your electricity bill on average, and/or how many units do you use?
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 17 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 bedrooms but there's only me in it... My meter thingy says I've used 113kwh in the last week. Bear in mind I work from home.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 17 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've managed to use 3172 units since the start of October, I was just wondering how typical that usage was. Annoyingly it seems to be pretty ball park if you're relying on electric heaters.
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 17 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's that in kwh?

Electric heaters do cane it, mine was a fair bit higher in winter. Getting new central heating fitted soon though \o/

Dishwasher uses a lot too, but I'm lazy Smile
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 17 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to my energy meter thing I've used 38.06kwh in the last 7 days and its going to cost me £23.88 for the last month.
Its a bungalow not a flat and I have gas central heating.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 17 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
What's that in kwh?

Electric heaters do cane it, mine was a fair bit higher in winter. Getting new central heating fitted soon though \o/

Dishwasher uses a lot too, but I'm lazy Smile


Same thing I believe. Apparently the crap storage heaters are getting ripped out and replaced soon. I've been relying on one of those electric radiator thingeys most of the winter, so I expect that's what it's from.

Have to wait and see what summer brings.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 17 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

the average electric consumption is 3300Kwh Per year -

best way to keep your bills down is to keep an eye on your tariff and see whats available

who you with at the mo?
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 17 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

kemshell123 wrote:
the average electric consumption is 3300Kwh Per year -

best way to keep your bills down is to keep an eye on your tariff and see whats available

who you with at the mo?


So I've managed to do that in 6 months (somehow). Cool

British Gas, going to attempt to change it to EDF as according to USwitch they are cheaper.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 17 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't there a thing very recently, about these utility companies being exposed for ripping us all off, by some independant investigation.

Found it...
https://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/mar/21/gas-electricity-firms-told-simplify-prices

300 possible tariffs!? It's all designed to baffle the fuck out of you and relieve you of as much cash as possible without having you understand it confidently enough to question it.

As for the comparison websites, it is all savings in the tens per year rather than the hundreds, so hardly seems worth the bother.

So hopefully should see some changes, though not holding my breath.
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 17 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biggest power gobbler is immersion heater if you have one.
It will help to turn the thermostat down on it, and fit a timer so it only pops on 10 minutes before you need it in the morning (preferably on cheap rate you should have if using storage heater(s)

Lights, laptop, non giant TV use trivial amounts by comparison.
Boiling kettles - make sure you put in the absolute minimum water as they are 3kw but should be on very briefly.
Cooking; try turning rings off soon as possible and use the residual heat to simmer and finish cooking.

For a smaller, well insulated dwelling, electric can work out best.
There are additional costs to other options like servicing or breakdowns to consider


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PostPosted: 17:51 - 17 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:

British Gas, going to attempt to change it to EDF as according to USwitch they are cheaper.


prepare to pay double!!
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 17 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 bed house with gas.

8 kwHr in the last day
53 kwHr in the last 7 days
227 kwHr in the last 30 days

According to my Scottish power energy thing.
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 17 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What sort of electric heater have you been using? There are a few types but all are very expensive.

The ones you sometimes get fitted to flats are electric convectors, they heat up an element and blow out air over it or just don't blow at all, they will use a huge amount of electricity if you are trying to heat the place with them. Oil filled radiators which are the sort that are on wheels and plug in are also bad but much better than convectors. Halogen ones (the red flourescent tubes) are the worst of the lot as most of the heat is infra red so it doesn't heat up the air really, just you.

On electric the cheapest way to go is night storage heaters on an economy 7 tariff, you have to predict the next days weather because they heat up the night before but in my last flat one in the lounge was all I needed, I had 2 convectors on the walls but hardly ever used them, bedroom one went on for 10mins before bed if it was really cold. Being above ground floor also makes a big difference as obviously heat from people below will rise.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 18 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in a small one bedroom flat which just has elec, not gas.

My elec bill is £35 per month with E-on. Not sure how many units i use though.

Similar question - how much are peoples water bill for a one bedroom flat? Mines £28 per month which sounds like too much to me. I only have 1 quick shower in a morning and wash up every 2 days or so.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 18 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Check any storage heaters are installed correctly. They don't half eat electricity if wired up so they are on full time and not just using economy 7 electricity.

As to tariffs, they change all the time. Often being cheapest on uswitch just means that supplier hasn't yet hoiked up their rates and will do so soon. Add in tariffs for dual fuel, out of date tariffs, various green tariffs, online tariffs, etc, it isn hardly surprising that there are a stupid number of them.

As an aside our consumption last year (3 bedroom house, gas central heating but working from home most of the week) was 4475. Used 216 since the 31st March (meter was changed then).

All the best

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PostPosted: 13:35 - 18 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

apple tango wrote:

Similar question - how much are peoples water bill for a one bedroom flat? Mines £28 per month which sounds like too much to me. I only have 1 quick shower in a morning and wash up every 2 days or so.


That is loads for water.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 18 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is my annual usage

Gas- 10604 kwh
Electric -3061 kwh

3 bedroom semi, gas central heating, elec oven, gas hob.

empty during the due to work, and the wife goes home on monday and friday nights.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 18 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Used to have a 1 bed flat with just a leccy key (No gas, and it was pay as you go Leccy), and it was averagely £15 a week (S0 about £60 a month).

When I got my 1 bed house, that was Gas and Leccy, both on meters. I was paying £51 for the two services as a a dual fuel combine package. Think the leccy alone was £25.




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PostPosted: 14:21 - 18 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Power meters are quite interesting for getting a handle on what does and doesn't use a lot. I was surprised by how little my tumble drier uses, for example.

Seem to be ticking over at about 0.6kw most of the time - that's 2 pcs, 3 monitors, speakers, modem, router, fridge freezer, laptop and then a few things on standby like the stereo, v box, cooker clock, security lights... Apparently the power bricks for things like the Xbox are really bad, I must plug mine in and see if that's really the case.

Once I get rid of the immersion heater and get my combi boiler, I'm hoping that'll help my weekly consumption a bit, though having a better shower will probably just mean I take longer showers and lose the saving.

apple tango wrote:
Similar question - how much are peoples water bill for a one bedroom flat? Mines £28 per month which sounds like too much to me. I only have 1 quick shower in a morning and wash up every 2 days or so.


Are you on a meter? I got one fitted as soon as I moved in and it knocked hundreds off the bill. I'd have to have a freakish number of baths and use the hosepipe all the time to be anywhere near the un-metered charge.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 18 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bendy wrote:
Apparently the power bricks for things like the Xbox are really bad...


They are. Usage shoots up when my sister is on the Xbox all day.
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 18 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fit an OWLand you can test everything in the house.
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PostPosted: 04:28 - 19 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a 1 bed place in Belfast and paid by D/D £50 a month at their recomendation. After a year or so I recieved a phone call telling me I was almost £300 in credit and had them send me £200 of it back. I didnt have to pay an electric bill for around 3 mths so works out at around £30 a month.
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PostPosted: 04:58 - 19 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're currently on a Dual-Fuel with Scottish Hydro. Pay a direct Debit of £90 a month (I think). Currently we are in £280 of credit for the leccy and owe £13 for the gas, but that was due to the really cold winter and we have Gas heating and a water storage tank.
Going to change that to a Combi Boiler at some point.

Thats for a 3 story 4 bedroom detached house.

Heating my old flat was dead cheap due to having neighbours on both sides and below. If their heating was on I had to have a window open Very Happy
That was a 1 bedroom old tenement style and it was about £45 a month for both leccy and Gas.
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 19 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinkyfloyd wrote:
I was almost £300 in credit and had them send me £200 of it back.


Yeah, I'm on one of those fixed price per month things and since I didn't have prior bills for this place I guess they worked on an average.

I've been paying monthly for gas when the only thing that actually works right now is the hob, and that was non-operational for 3 months prior due to me ripping the kitchen out. Laughing Should have a nice bit of credit for when the central heating goes in.
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 19 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conversation I had with EON last autumn when they tried to put my duel fuel direct debit up from 110 quid to 160 per month:

Her: Hello, EON customer helpline you're talking to blah blah how may I help you?

Me: Yes, I've just received a letter stating that you're putting my direct debit up by almost 50% and I thought I'd ask what you think you're playing at.

Her: We've reassessed your contract and believe your payments need to increase.

Me: So you're basically telling me that you're about to massively increase your prices?

Her: No, sir. We're not increasing our prices. Your account is currently in debt and...

Me: By how much?

Her: Forty pounds.

Me: And three months ago that amount was a hundred pounds which suggests to me I'm already paying you more than I'm using. And that forty pounds will be cleared in a month or two.

Her: Sir, we've reassessed your contract and believe your payments need to increase.

Me: But if I'm paying for more than I'm using that can only be because you're about to put up your prices.

Her: No sir. We're not putting up our prices. But winter is coming and your usage is going to increase, so you need to increase your payments.

Me: But the whole point of this direct debit thing is that I pay the same amount every month and if that's too much in the summer then it covers the extra in the winter, right?

Her: Sir, your account is in debt.

Me: Yes, by a grand whopping total of forty quid. Which is less than the amount extra you want to charge me *every* month from now on. And if that forty quid bothers you that much I'll pay it you now on my switch card, right?

Her: Yes sir. If you clear the forty pounds now I can reduce your monthly payements to a hundred and forty.

Me: Which is still thirty more than I pay now.

Her: Yes sir.

Me: When I am already paying you twenty more than I use.

Her: Yes sir. But winter is just around the corner and your usage will increase.

Me: Yes, I realise that, but then it's summer and my useage will decrease. So it'll all average out nicely. Right?

Her: We'll reassess your usage in April.

Me: Yes, at which point you'll look at my high winter usage and say "that looks about right" and keep me on a stupid payment plan through the summer so I build up hundreds and hundreds in credit that you earn the interest off and then when you actually do put your prices up I don't notice because my ludicrous monthly payments don't change.

Her: Sir, we are not putting our prices up.

Me: I bet you are.

(etc...)

Anyway, a month or two later their prices went up like mad. I Uswitched.

Cool story bro, I realise, but they're all on the fiddle. And it pisses me off.

Addendum: I work in energy trading and I get to see how all this works. They buy energy forwards years in advance, to supply you. The power and gas you are using now were purchased by their traders anywhere between 1 and 5 years ago. So when "wholesale prices rise" and they are "forced to pass that cost on" that either means they're badly hedged (stupid) or profiteering. Any company with its own generation facilities is likely doing the latter.
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