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slyrob
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 24 Feb 2011    Post subject: will dented swingarm pass mot? thundercat revived Reply with quote

As you may or may not know, my Yamaha thundercat was taken from me by a double decker bus on the Edgware Road. After the bus driver lied and said effectively that I hit a stationary bus and car I was helped by a rather wonderful witness and the fact that I rang metroline buses every day asking for cctv footage and the drivers photo's neither of which have ever found their way to me! So despite still not having admitted liability they have payed handsomely for the bike and clothing etc. Now this is where it gets a little strange, the conversation with my insurers went something like this.....

THEM "they haven't admitted liability yet but we are continuing to press them and have sent your cheque to you"

ME "Ok, but i will not admit any liability for the accident and expect you to pursue this, what happens to the bike now? will they collect it?"

THEM "No you can start repairing it now but i'll expect you'll need to get it MOT'd to get it back on the road"

So first question, how do I find out if and what insurance classification the bike comes under CAT c etc

second question, does a small dent in the swing arm mean no MOT?

third question, is this gonna be a spare bike/ fighter hack project or should I start looking at trailers for trackdays Laughing
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

also can somebody tell me what the smaller cover is to the right of the clutch cover as i seem to be drawing a blank on ebay

https://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab349/slyrob/IMG_1676.jpg

im gonna need fork stanchions.......... again, the little cover that let all my oil out on the Edgware road, some indicators and I dont reckon any of the body work is worth saving even the screen! so the naked approach might be the way forward. If I can get it back on the road then I'll feel slightly less aggrieved about the 400 quid I spent on a rear tire, brake pads and new forks before it got killed!
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you the guy that fixes his bike in his funky foods shop?

So they paid for your bike and clothing but are not admitting liability?

Seems unusual, do your insurance company know about the payout?

https://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID/26/Type/CRANKCASE/MakeID/4/Make/Yamaha/YearID/38/Year/1997/ModelID/6109/Model/YZF600R/GroupID/246630/Group/CRANKCASE_COVER_1

I guessed at the model year as a 1997 but I don't think major changes were made throughout the years.

in this 1997 example

Your cover is part 11:

Yamaha part number: 4JH-15421-00-00

Don't know about dented swingarms I am afraid, would suspect if it isn't too bad then it'll be ok but TBH used swingarms are normally pretty cheap (less than £40-50 on my bike).
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Those covers are not that expensive. However suspect just as with my FZR600 the bearing that lives in it is a separate part which you need to order.

As to the swinging arm, suspect it will depend on how badly dented it is (ie if it is significantly weaker) and whether the wheel alignment is still OK.

All the best

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PostPosted: 10:28 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

must admit i'm struggling to find the starter cover? the clutch covers seem reasonably easy to get hold of and if nothing else comes up i can get new stanchions for 100 each but if I'm getting it back on the road rather than selling it as scrap I need to budget reasonably carefully to make it worthwhile as i only paid around the 1000 mark for it originally. The cheque was from the bus insurers but posted to me by my insurers Confused seems rather unconventional but I shall not complain. Was dreaming of usd conversions and the like but have reminded myself that it will never be as light or as fast as my zx6r so will be making this happen as cheaply as possible.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

slyrob wrote:
As you may or may not know, my Yamaha thundercat was taken from me by a double decker bus on the Edgware Road. After the bus driver lied and said effectively that I hit a stationary bus and car I was helped by a rather wonderful witness and the fact that I rang metroline buses every day asking for cctv footage and the drivers photo's neither of which have ever found their way to me! So despite still not having admitted liability they have payed handsomely for the bike and clothing etc. Now this is where it gets a little strange, the conversation with my insurers went something like this.....

THEM "they haven't admitted liability yet but we are continuing to press them and have sent your cheque to you"

ME "Ok, but i will not admit any liability for the accident and expect you to pursue this, what happens to the bike now? will they collect it?"

THEM "No you can start repairing it now but i'll expect you'll need to get it MOT'd to get it back on the road"

So first question, how do I find out if and what insurance classification the bike comes under CAT c etc

second question, does a small dent in the swing arm mean no MOT?

third question, is this gonna be a spare bike/ fighter hack project or should I start looking at trailers for trackdays Laughing


Could be a number of things here.

Are you claiming for injuries or loss of earnings? If you are, then your cheque you have will be for material damages and they will still be fighting for the injuries/earnings and arguing over amounts etc

If you aren't going for that it could be they are arguing about costs. Either way, if they have paid you out for the bike & gear they will eventually pay it all.

If they've paid for the bike have you bought it back as salvage or have they just paid you in lieu of damages? When I got knocked off my 'busa they were going to write it off and I wrote a letter asking them not to, telling them I would accept £3k in lieu of damages and repair the bike myself and they just paid it, so the bike remained un-recorded.

I see no reason why you should re-MOT it to keep riding until the claim is settled. I don't think a dent in the arm is an MOT issue unless there's a crack or a perhaps wrinkle in the metal. so long as the arm isn't obviously bent and the wheel lines up why would they fail it?

Glad you got it sorted Rob, and lucky to have a witness too. Without a witness my own accident would be a different story altogether. You should always find a witness if you can, or grab the reg No of the vehicle right behind you .
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

slyrob wrote:
must admit i'm struggling to find the starter cover?


Just order it from Yamaha with the part number DonnyBrago gave. Note I think you will also need the bearing part number 93306-20006-00 from this fiche.

Failing that you can order the heavy duty NRC covers (on Ebay now although not sure that is a good price).

All the best

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PostPosted: 10:42 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

it seems to be a cheque for damage to the bike rather than anything else but its all been a bit vague so far, the cheque exceeds the value of the bike by 500 odd so may include clothing/ helmet etc to get the bike aswell seems to be a massive bonus, I wasn't really considering anything other than buying it back and selling on but if im not paying for it to be returned to me (they didn't remove it after assessing the damage) then it seems a waste not to spend a couple of hundred to get it back on the road or possibly as a starter track bike. Having the Gsxr stolen shortly afterwards has also meant that I have now owned rather more of the bikes I lusted after as a kid than I expected by this stage!!
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry I somehow managed to miss the rather convenient part number and diagram! Embarassed In which case that will make life a lot easier Thumbs Up
karma shall be distributed accordingly when my ability to do so returns. So should I assume from your post Keith that this bearing is likely to have failed or been damaged if the cover is broken? Also as all the oil drained onto the Edgware road and the bike has been stationary since then (aside from being pushed down the road by thieves who desperately wanted my trashed cheap 90s bike Confused)
is there any special precautions I should take before refilling the oil and running the bike? would putting the bike in gear and pushing it before starting move the oil around?
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, just fill & forget.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

slyrob wrote:
So should I assume from your post Keith that this bearing is likely to have failed or been damaged if the cover is broken?


From replacing the cover on my FZR600 (basically the same engine) that bearing is a tight press fit into the cover with no access to the outside of the bearing to press it out and I doubt you will manage to remove it without damaging it (although I suppose you could smash the old cover to pieces to extract the bearing).

Reason I mention this is I ordered the cover, went to fit it and then realised I didn't have the bearing so then had another wait for that to arrive Embarassed .

As to the oil, if water has got into the engine then it would be worth doing an oil change fairly soon after getting the engine running again.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:34 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Reason I mention this is I ordered the cover, went to fit it and then realised I didn't have the bearing so then had another wait for that to arrive Embarassed .

All the best

Keith


Thanks for that never knew it!

Also Slyrob. I don't know if the Fazer Forks are the same, but I have some undamaged ones that you can have for £120 + postage. I'm pretty sure they are the same, but I'm not sure so check it. I know the Thundercat uses a 120 from, and the Fazer a 110, but I can't remember if that's the yokes, forks, or just wheel that's different.

I've got a load of parts from my Fazer that might fit. Don't really know. You're welcome to them on the cheap if you like. But as I said, I'm really not sure what fits and what doesn't! I do have a starter clutch cover, but I'm selling the engine whole so would rather not start taking bits off it!!

Hope that helps.
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 25 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds similar to what happened to me with my TDM, your insurance company sound shit they should have explained it to you.

Basically they are doing something called something like payment without prejustice? something like that anyway.

Did you are have a hire bike?

What this meant for me was they paid me the money for the damages without admitting liability so I could fix the bike and they didn't get stung for the hire charges. They do it if they believe they are in the wrong.

However it does mean if the case goes the other way they can claim all/some of it back.

If you haven;t had to buy the bike back from the insurance then it isn't a write off regardless of the damage done to it.

A word of advice kiddies if you don't want your bike written off don't let the insures take it away, and have a word with the estimator when they arrive, they are usually friendly helpful people.
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