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PostPosted: 23:21 - 26 Feb 2011    Post subject: Crappy clunky r6 gearbox. Reply with quote

Is there anything i can do to stop the gearbox on my 2000 R6
Anything under 5k revs and changing gear is crap, noisy and clunky!
I understand its normal but there has to be some trick of the trade toi shut it up>?>
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give it a service. When was the last oil change?

Usual things to check, clutch cable adjustment, chain adjustment, and also gear linkage lubricated properly.

Should help.
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look at X's/R6Luke or whatever he calls himself these days' thread on a gearbox change - Ben. (half-life) helped him out with the swap, but this required a donor engine.

I'm sure mattspratt will come along and offer advice. But the trend is for the gearboxes to go. What's it like when you accelerate hard from 1st to 2nd.

Is the engine pretty lumpy (might need carbs balancing).
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PostPosted: 03:33 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

New oil, about 35 quid and chain lube or adjustment was fine for me.

The actual changing of an engine seems pretty much, I think that was because of second gear jumping out or something. This seem like a maintenance issue.
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have a look at X's/R6Luke or whatever he calls himself these days' thread on a gearbox change - Ben. (half-life) helped him out with the swap, but this required a donor engine


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I think that was because of second gear jumping out or something


Min's right. The box's are solid apart from second gear. If yours is jumping out of second gear into a false neutral under hard acceleration then its a gearbox strip I'm afraid.

However I don't think that's the problem. Clunky gear changes are normal when something isn't happy. Check all the other stuff first!
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before you go changing gearboxes and stripping half the engine make sure your chain and sprockets are in decent condition and well adjusted.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did an oil change about 500 miles ago, on one occasion i accelerated hard in first and second didnt seem to exist Sad it revved out and i looked like a donut, will check chain and sprockets later!

Not sure this is looking to good,
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: Crappy clunky r6 gearbox. Reply with quote

Blackrandomapple wrote:
Is there anything i can do to stop the gearbox on my 2000 R6
Anything under 5k revs and changing gear is crap, noisy and clunky!
I understand its normal but there has to be some trick of the trade toi shut it up>?>
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One mans 'crap, noisy and clunky' is another mans 'normal' ...

Is it something that has just started to happen or been like that since you have had the bike?

Have you ever ridden another one to compare and contrast?
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have only been riding the bike since i passed my test in january its only the last couple of outings its started to get annoying, i have ridden my friends r6, Same year etc his does seem a little smoother.

My bike seems to be 'more loose' if you get what i mean, but that could be because i have a gp can on mine and his is standard. it just feels and sounds more aggressive.

Its tricky because i just dont have the experience behind me yet Sad
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has your mate ridden your bike ? Or know of anyone with a good amount of experience to have a quick ride and see?
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PostPosted: 18:49 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, He has no license yet Sad

Thats prob the best idea tho, Im sure i can find some one with experience to have a ride,

I just want to know if the gearbox is ok, If its clunky but fine i can get used to it. I could do with brushing up on my gear changes, A little more clutch perhaps?
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

the gearbox wont fail unless you're a retard that does power wheelies in first then mashes it into second on one wheel.
clutch in second or not at all

get over it, change gear properly, and adjust your clutch so the biting point isnt at the bar
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

... and ... as per usual, a non helpful, worthless, pointless post/reply by 'the pratt'! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not me im worried about, its what have previous owners rode it like,

Where is the best place to have clutch bite point?
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, personally, its anywhere between 50-80% of the lever released. Not sure if there is a mechanical version though!
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 27 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there's a 'cush. drive' in the rear hub behind the sprocket, and there probably is, grip the rear sprocket and see if there's excessive backwards/forwards movement. If you consider there's too much or you're not sure, take to a dealer for their opinion. A small amount of movement is acceptable but if there's a lot the rubbers will be knackered and can give you a very 'clonky' gear change and will need replacing. Let us know how you get on.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 28 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has been on my mind all day at work so i braved the cold and took it for a little ride to get a better idea of what is happening,

Here goes:

From 1st to 2nd at about 3k rpm very clunky. Sounds a like this... C c clunk, You can feel each clunk though the gear selector

from 1st to 2nd at about 5k rpm not so bad,

2nd to 3rd on onwards are perfect.

2nd to 1st slowing to a stop has a large clunk,

N to 1st Big clunk!

Hope you can get the gist of that!

Ive not tried riding hard to second as yet because the weather is rubbish and cold, but last time i did as OP i made myself look like a twat!

Its the C c Clunk from 1st to 2nd that worries me most!

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If there's a 'cush. drive' in the rear hub


Not sure, will check, but im sure this is the gearbox because i can feel it through the selector
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 28 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

£10 says your chains to tight

R6's suffer real bad if your chains to tight, they use a rather small bearing for the output shaft and if the chains like a bow string the output shaft can actually pivot alittle on the bearing and puts extra pressure on the gear change.

Sit on the bike and see if you have much chain movment.. i know its school boy stuff but in my experience 90% of sports bike owners dont have a clue how to adjust there chain.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 28 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive not looked when im sat on the bike,

I have just had new tyres, i hope they have done it properly?
Ive already figured they ripped me off
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 28 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im a novice. I didnt think i should have to check tbh
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

why are you changing gear at 3k on a bike that doesnt make any sense of power till 8k?
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
why are you changing gear at 3k on a bike that doesnt make any sense of power till 8k?


This was going to be my question.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blackrandomapple wrote:
Im a novice.


The guy changing your tyre and fitting your wheel probably was too.

You get a serious amount of incompetence at the average fast fit tyre joint. Go over your chain tension, wheel alignment and wheel nut torque yourself, it's good practice and you can't check these things too often.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

they were fitted at a well established bike mot and service place
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

0l0dom0l0 wrote:

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I think that was because of second gear jumping out or something


Min's right. The box's are solid apart from second gear. If yours is jumping out of second gear into a false neutral under hard acceleration then its a gearbox strip I'm afraid.


I agree if its jumping out of 2nd its sounds like a selector is worn and the box need rebuilding. Yamaha's have noisey boxes generally 1st is the worst.

I soak the clutch plates in oil (not synthetic) which helps with clunky boxes.
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