Has it become standard practice...

[MarJay]

... To prosecute all riders in a group when a member of the group has a fatal accident?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12730242

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-12725899

I don't understand how the police and CPS can consider the members of a group to be culpable for the decisions of one member? Ultimately we all ride for ourselves don't we?

It certainly seems to set a rather scary precident...
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[P.addy]

Well, I think its majorly unfair..
Im a fairly slow rider but I like to open a bike up every now and then, but I do ride with far more competent riders than myself who, obviously abuse their bikes with wheelies and the like

If I got in shit because of them, i'd be real pissed! As would most of us.

Its like a while back on the news there was a group of bikers, one guy was topping over a ton and they were following.. I cant recall who got in shit for that..

[CaNsA]

I can see your point (its tiny )
But we dont know what the rozzers found when "Five men arrested in raids across West Yorkshire"

There may have been some blatantly obvious video evidence which gives reasons for them to be held responsible.

Note they have been charged, but not found guilty and are on bail until the 31st march.

Looking at the picture of the couple that died hits it home that it could easily be me and mine if you catch my drift.
https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/resources/images/1593519/?type=display

https://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/8906797.Five_charged_over_Tadcaster_double_death_crash

[Paxovasa]

It is down to the individual rider. But when in a group, you do feel like you have to keep up with the fastest rider.

If you are not comfortable riding with a group of bikers, then don't ride with them.
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[paddlesat16]

I wouldn't have thought they have set a precident just yet, it's for the police to show to the CPS how the group were to blame for the accident and subsequent deaths.

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[MarJay]

The BBC didn't mention anything about raids... Plus it didn't mention the date of the accident... August 25 last year.

Ok, so maybe I got the wrong end of the stick with that a bit, I figured that the crash happened recently and the men were charged as they were arrested at the scene.

Still, the hungerford crash sounds a little ominous, although I can understand how a single rider could cause an accident, rather than an entire group.
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[Kwaks]

So all taxi drivers in a firm will be charged if one causes a death on the roads?

All tanker drivers?

TBH can't see how they could be found guilty of those charges, but then again it is the decision of the CPS whether they should be tried on them. I expect a late offer of reduced charges in exchange for a guilty plea.

Remember we live in a cuntry (sic) where charges have to be brought after any incident on the road
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[hellkat]

There must be a particular reason for it.

I think of this only because almost a year ago now, a friend of mine died in an accident whilst riding in a big pack. So far as I know, none of the others he was riding with were prosecuted for any offences within the remit of the accident itself.
https://www.huntspost.co.uk/news/latest-news/biker_was_distracted_during_fatal_crash_at_alconbury_1_552245

I expect that there must be a reason for the police to have considered charging the people described in the original post. The other riders must surely have been riding dangerously, and been observed just prior to the accident.
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[MinhDinh]

Well, I guess if one guy is faster than you, and you all speed to catch up, maybe it is in some ways there is blame on the group as a whole, if you ride like knobheads and speed etc... however not enough to go prison for me.

We all ride and know the risks, and we all control that throttle.
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[dogbot]

They've been charged with "causing death by dangerous driving", which would suggest there's something the police or CPS felt was sufficient to point to them bearing responsibility...

[JP7]

I'll be interested to see what the circumstances of this collision were, it sounds like there must have been some crazy riding going on before the crash happened. I wonder what actions the other riders took to make them responsible?

The CPS demand quite a high probability of winning a case before they will prosecute, so there must be some evidence of wrongdoing if they've decided to go to court with it.

[MarJay]

[CaNsA]

We shall see if any video footage from a bike/helmet cam ever gets released.
Maybe they were all popping wheelies, we just dont know.
And yes, BCF is very good at "Speculation"

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[iooi]

When serving my jury service I was unlucky enough to sit on the jury where a biker had been killed by a car driver.

The case was against 5 drivers in total. They all worked at the same place and it was alledged that they were racing on the M62. One driver was so far in front and another a long way behind.
The driver that caused the accident had undertaken a car in the outside lane and then swerved back in front to avoid a car in the middle lane. Straight into the side of the biker.
he pleaded gulity (got 10 years)
The other's pleaded not guilty. The 2 that were closest to the accident got away scott free (judges ruling), as did the driver in front. For some reason none of us on the jury could understand we were told by the judge that we had to find the rear most driver guilty of dangerous driving.... Given that we, from the police and witness evedence had already decided he was so far away that he was not involved in anyway and would have cleared him. he got 3 years....
One of the jury had to be restrained by the usher in charge as he was on his way back to court to give the judge a right ear bashing as he clearly had not listened to one bit of the evidence and decided that the young lad needed to be taught a leason, while the two middle aged drivers who were in the thick of it were in no way to blame.

I think that someone had a word with the lads faimly as he was not seen again after this.

To get back to the OP, clearly the police have enough evidence to take a case forward that ALL their riding helped to contribute to the accident.
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