Your thoughts on this clip..........

[Minty]

.....got sent this by a mate. We both have our views, what are yours?

I know we have some bus drivers that lurk these here parts too.
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[Chalky.]

Personally I'd have stopped as soon as it's clear the bus is turning... they keep going.

I suppose it's the bike's right of way in the eyes of the law, but common sense says the bus was committed to the maneuver and let him swing out.

[Moo.]

You can see clearly its indicating and common sense tells me thats its a big bus thats going to swing round. So i would have pulled over to the left and stopped. Dont really see why he was so surprised..
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[blurredman]

That bus is not going to be able to clear that corner any tighter then that. I would have pulled to the left as you can tell he is pulling in.
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[CaNsA]

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Many, but obviously not all, bus drivers I've encountered are nobends who think because they're bigger than most then they own the roads when really they're grubby, fat little turds.

Well, the bus driver should have seen the bike and stopped if he knew he was going to swing out. In an ideal world obviously.

[Sam_Y_93]

Agree with everyone else, could see from a mile away the bus is turning this way. And we all know buses dont do tight turns, should have slowed down and moved over to the left as soon as he saw the bus coming his way.
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[Poseidon]

The biker had ample time to slow down, be polite and let the bus complete it's manoeuvre... Instead he chose to brake late and swear, which isn't a very mature thing to do.

Also, the bus comes into view at 3 seconds, it's clear from 5seconds the bus is coming his way, why didn't he react sooner? (looks like he brakes at about 8-9seconds). With spatial awareness like his, despite the bus technically being in the wrong by being in his lane, it's not much good knowing he's right once 14tonne of double decker is parked on top of him.
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[stonesie]

I would have let the bus round, from the bus drivers view the bike had enough room if he just slowed down a bit.

Poor observation from the biker there...




Had another look and we have that make and model of bus at work (Scania Vyking) 11.5 ton and pretty quick for a bus but they do not have the best turning circle or brakes, theyre very powerful brakes but also very sensitive and dificult to use smoothly. and with the blind spots and other things we have to look at (N/S mirror to keep the back wheels off the curb) the driver here probably didnt see the bike untill about 7 seconds. he would have had a look before starting the turn but the road was clear then.

We also have to consider the doddery little old dear, bit unsteady on his/her feet, reactions measured by calender rather than stop watch and no seat belts.... slamming on the anchors is NOT a good idea

[bazza]

There's a turn like that off a roundabout near where I work. The bus can't make the turn - at any speed - without crossing into the opposite lane. A simple case of using the tried and tested Mark I Eyeball when approaching the turning.
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[Minty]

[Moo.]

[blurredman]

They accept it in India.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/biggerpicture/images/gnbn/1_1.jpg


They have a simple rule of the road. "Might is Right" Which basically means, make way for that big fooking thing coming right at ya, else you're gonna get smacked.

Which in hindsight, is more understandable as a rule if you know that you have to look after yourself in this world. It's just a lane, and as we all know that's the joy of using a bike in that you can use that whole lane even if you're only 1/3rd of the width compared.
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[Poseidon]

Fair point minty, but looking at the video, the bus driver didn't have line of sight until around the 5-6 second mark (the bus is visible given its height)... the driver has 3 seconds to react and bring the bus to a halt, the bike has 6seconds. Considering the bus may have passengers, none wearing seatbelts, some possibly standing, there's serious risk of someone getting injured/falling over if he brakes too sharply. The biker has ample time to slow down safely in a controlled manner thus allowing everyone to continue their journey in safety, rather than nearly causing an accident.

Like I said, right or wrong doesn't matter if you've been squished!
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[Minty]

Another thing that came up in discussion is that neither of us had a recollection of trucks being like this, leading us to surmise that adherence to timetables may mean certain roadcraft has to go out of the window for bus drivers?

In that, I mean, if I am driving a big vehicle that I know swings out, I need to slow at junctions and ensure I can do so safely?

The question that also came up is if a bus driver did this in their pcv test would it be marked down?
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[Kwaks]

The fault is with the company which thinks that is an acceptable bus route for that size of bus. If the bus cannot make the turn then it should not be used on the route.

In addition, the driver knows better than anyone else on the road that he cannot make that turn without using the other lane, as such he should be crawling round that corner, not swinging round as fast as he can, so he also has culpibility.

The rider could have seen the indicators on the bus, however as buses indicate to pull into stops as well as make turns then it is not unreasonable for him to use road position and speed as a truer indication, both of which gave the impression the bus would not take that turn. He did brake, whereas moving left might have been the safer option.
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[Minty]

[Poseidon]

[MattJ]

You can clearly see that the bus is not going round the bend the tightest it can. You can see that the rear wheel is quite far from the curb. The bus is also accelerating round the bend. Maybe the biker should have seen the bus and slowed down earlier, but I don't think he was in the wrong. He is also turning right so his road positioning should be very close to the centre of the road.

IMO the bus should not have been going around that corner as fast as it did. Maybe the biker should have been going a bit slower but if that was me I would not expect the bus to perform the manoeuvre so quickly when he could see the rider was in his way. The bus driver made no attempt to go around there slowly, and the bus driver should have seen the bike at the same time (maybe a second later) than the rider should have seen the bus.

[iooi]

Interesting to see comments that if the bus was going slower it would have turned tighter ????

Didn't notice any wheels sliding which are the only cause of a turning circle getting larger....

Bikers fault full stop. He clearly has no concept of other road users needs.

One reason I think that part of learning to drive should be to drive a bus, truck etc.
Then people would have a idea of just how much road these need....
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[calyx]

After watching the video I was like "so wha?".
This sort of thing happens all the time. Highway code says "pay extra attention at junctions".
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[stonesie]

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common sense would of kicked and I would have slowed down as soon as I saw the bus.

The buses around here (Birmingham) usually take the turns wide so its a daily occurrence for me.
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[stonesie]

Some extracts from the Highway Code here...

221

Large vehicles. These may need extra road space to turn or to deal with a hazard that you are not able to see. If you are following a large vehicle, such as a bus or articulated lorry, be aware that the driver may not be able to see you in the mirrors. Be prepared to stop and wait if it needs room or time to turn.


223

Buses, coaches and trams. Give priority to these vehicles when you can do so safely, especially when they signal to pull away from stops. Look out for people getting off a bus or tram and crossing the road.

[Seb]

That busses rear wheel was less than a foot from the curb, it's not going to take it any tighter than that without smashing the pavement to bits/running someone over that's waiting to cross the road.

Theres a 4 way junction near me where busses have to take a similar line, annoying as I tend to filter to the front when I can leaving me right where the bus needs to go, needless to say, as soon as I catch a glimpse of a bus I'm getting out of the way even if I have to 'jump' the lights and move round in front of the queue.

Another vote for bad obs and planning from the rider here
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