Not liking DAS tool...

[skatefreak]

Did the first day's riding for my das the other day...
Have to say, my clutch is half warn to hell and thus i have miles of "transition" so riding the clutch is easy peasy.

That being said, havng riden the ER5....
I hate it

My NSR just feels so much more comfortable, handles so much better... I was so pleased to get back onto it at the end of the day

A little disapointed to be honest... are many bigger sensible bikes uncomfortable/awkward/boring as this lol...

-Jvr

Ps, fancy an NC30 or CBR600FX when/if i ever get the money together *grins*

[0l0dom0l0]

I don't find that training bikes are really a representation of what that bike actually rides like.

Most of them have done a lot of miles, and are generally very tired, as well as been abused in every way by learners.

Don't be put off, wait until you ride a 'proper' big bike. It will make the NSR feel like your going backwards.

Stick with it. Try and enjoy the riding as much as you can.

I know how your feeling though. I did my training on a YBR 125. Was fairly new and was great to ride. Really nimble and a nippy little bugger to when you needed it to be. Then after the break between my MOD 1 and MOD 2 that bike had to go in for some work. Gave me a CG125 and I HATED it with a passion!!! It was slow, and worse than the YBR in every way possible (sorry cg fans).
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Bikes: 2007 Derbi GPR 50, 1998 Yamaha Fazer 600 (written off), 2002 Yamaha Fazer 600, 1994 CBR 600F, 2003 Triumph Daytona 600, Kawasaki ZX6R J1.....Current: 2006 Yamaha FZ6, 1998 Suzuki TL1000R and a Honda VFR 400 NC30.

[lihp]

The ER-5 was VERY comfortable compared to my R6 and the CBR lol. But it the ER-5 is pretty boring :p Though not great handling they are easy to ride and handle.

[Shreddie]

[Ingah]

The problem, OP, is more than likely that you're riding a very shagged out riding school bike (it certainly sounds it). It's highly typical. I should know, i bought an "ex-riding school" commuter and bloody hell i don't think i shall ever encounter such a long list of problems and faults! (it's taken over 2 years of riding and repairing, and repairing, and repairing, and i think i'm finally getting towards the end of them )

Don't get me wrong, ER-5's are not known for being more than 'adequete' at anything*. Even when shiny and new. But i'm pretty damn confident it's an entirely different kettle of fish to a 'real' big bike, that's for sure!

* = Power excluded. ~48bhp of parallel twin lumpiness is not really adequete.
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[Frost]

The size and weight will be fairly typical of bigger bikes. the handling might be due to the higher weight, so thats something you will need to adapt to. the boring quality of them is shared by other commuter style bikes.

[G]

Often new bikes will feel 'different' which often transfers to 'wrong'.
When I did my DAS, despite having ridden a few different bikes; the GS500 did feel a bit big and cumbersome coming off my NSR.
However, these days one'd feel relatively small/thin.

[pinkyfloyd]

As G said. Your getting off your sport styled bike and onto a more upright bike. The clutch is different than yours simply because no 2 bikes are set up the same.

You are on a bike that has been used and abused more times than Katie Price and it will have its niggles but it is something you will have to get used to if you want to complete the course. I went from a 125 cruiser to an ER5 and the riding position was different. I struggled the first day with wrist ache and shoulder ache due to not being as forward (and the ER5 is a sit up bike). By test day I got on fine with the bike though.

It will come together.
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[Nixon]

You're riding style could be a big part of it too, whilst your under instruction and paying to learn to pass your test most normal people would be "behaving" themselves much more than when they're out hooning on their own

[karidian]

[skatefreak]

Mmmm,
Come to think of it that does explain quiet a lot...
although the bike "looked" to be in very good condition it had done 45k (the other 66k) and the engine was really lumpy and power delivery "kind of" consistant (may have been me a little on that though lol).

Aside that i guess the change in riding style is an *ajustment* thing (started on a crosser style, NSR for a year, now commuter lol).

I do like the extra weight though! Figure of 8's are so much easier as the bike rides itself a lot more with the weight.

It could be a lot worse i'll give it that, i was just expecting something a little more enjoyable to ride lol.

That being said, i spent an hour prancing around doing slow manovers which couldnt have been to great for the bike (as it has probably done for the majority of its time as it doesnt build up miles very quickly...

Cheers for the input guys.
Will look further forward into the future an i'll be looking out for a Vfr400 or CBR600fx in the future

Best regards

-Jvr

[pinkyfloyd]

Remember the DAS is a means to an end. You have to ride around on a dropable bike to get through the test and then you can get the bike of your dreams. If the bike schools catered for the kind of bikes you want to ride then their bills would be even bigger than they are now.

All schools use the same kind of bikes. ER5, GS500, CB500, EN6. All these bikes have 2 things in common. They are drop friendly and they are cheap. Cheap for parts, cheap to maintain and it doesnt matter if you drop them and they will all have been dropped several times before you get near them. Thats why they use them.

When you pass your test you never have to sit yourself on one ever again. Look at it that way and rather than fighting the bike because its different, ugly, clunky and lumpy, start enjoying it because it'll eat and shit your 125 like it was going backwards and out in the countryside it will still make you grin from ear to ear as you hit 60mph without even thinking about it.
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illuminateTHEmind wrote: I am just more evolved than most of you guys... this allows me to pick of things quickly which would have normally taken the common man years to master
Hockeystorm65:.well there are childish arguments...there are very childish arguments.....there are really stupid childish arguments and now there are......Pinkfloyd arguments!
Teflon-Mike:I think I agree with just about all Pinky has said.