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PostPosted: 10:59 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Insurance :( Reply with quote

Right I've been insured on the 125 since the beginning of last june, so it obviously doesn't run out until the beginning of this june. I have one years full NCB and will have another years NCB in 2 months or so. I can't afford to insure the GPZ with just the 1 years NCB and I don't like the idea of losing a year for the sake of 2 months anyway. But waiting 2 months with a gorgeous bike sitting staring at me is HELL. There's absolutely sod all I can do about it as far as I know, I'd need an insurance company to accept the 10 months as a year but my current insurer won't give me it. Is there ANY way I can get insured sooner rather than later without having to pay 1 years NCB premiums and without losing the 10 months i've built up?

P.S I've asked Rampdale (current insurer) if they'd be willing to give me the full year, stingey bastards won't.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrong insurance thread.


More than likely stuffed for two months

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PostPosted: 11:37 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm confused, why can't you just make mid term adjustment to the policy, I.e change the insurance over to the gpz? Or you don't want to be with the same company?
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKRedwing wrote:
I'm confused, why can't you just make mid term adjustment to the policy, I.e change the insurance over to the gpz? Or you don't want to be with the same company?




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I can't afford to insure the GPZ with just the 1 years NCB




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PostPosted: 11:48 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pfft I'm sure 1 extra years ncb doesn't make that much difference on a gpz500... I know it made fuckall difference on my zx6rs and gsxr 600. Surely if its the same company and you ring them up to swap bikes over they will take into account the extra 10 months ncb you have with them?
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKRedwing wrote:
Pfft I'm sure 1 extra years ncb doesn't make that much difference on a gpz500... I know it made fuckall difference on my zx6rs and gsxr 600. Surely if its the same company and you ring them up to swap bikes over they will take into account the extra 10 months ncb you have with them?


If the OP is paying their insurance premium on a monthly basis, any additions has to be added to the remaining months. For example; if the OP has been quoted an extra £100 on top of their current premium, this would be mean an extra £50 a month until the end of the policy.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm afraid you won't get a year's NCB if you haven't done the whole year. Not unless you were on a bonus accelerator, which I don't think you can get for bikes?

I'm afraid the best option is to stick with it until June and pocket your two years NCB.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKRedwing wrote:
I'm confused, why can't you just make mid term adjustment to the policy, I.e change the insurance over to the gpz? Or you don't want to be with the same company?


The underwriters i'm with wont insure me on the GPZ so they said it'd have to be a new policy, they can't just switch it over
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's looking like my only real option left is to either wait OR get temporary insurance for the GPZ for 2 months (i.e. both bikes would be insured and the 125's policy would just be left to run out). obviously i couldn't use my NCB on this temp cover, but it's my only real option as it stands. can anyone suggest where will do decent priced monthly cover?
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

www.flexirider.co.uk

www.dayinsure.com

Those are a couple of the more major companies, but temporary insurance isn't usually all that good value.
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're coming out quite hefty as well.

Is there any way i'd be able to insure the GPZ on a FULL years policy but add the NCB after 2 months to reduce the price for the rest of the year? i.e. 2 months insured at price with no NCB, next 10 months priced with 2 years NCB because after then it'd be freed up for use.

Getting desperate here Wink
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenben92 wrote:
UKRedwing wrote:
I'm confused, why can't you just make mid term adjustment to the policy, I.e change the insurance over to the gpz? Or you don't want to be with the same company?


The underwriters i'm with wont insure me on the GPZ so they said it'd have to be a new policy, they can't just switch it over


Ah, sucks.

Tried ebike for their monthly pay as you go policy? Could use them for 2 months
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenben92 wrote:
They're coming out quite hefty as well.

Is there any way i'd be able to insure the GPZ on a FULL years policy but add the NCB after 2 months to reduce the price for the rest of the year? i.e. 2 months insured at price with no NCB, next 10 months priced with 2 years NCB because after then it'd be freed up for use.

Getting desperate here Wink

Look at it this way... you'll get absolutely no favours from an insurance company. Unfortunately the entire year's policy is run using the details given at its inception. So whether you earn more NCD or become a year older or anything like that, the premium stays the same.

(Unless you change something that will cost you money, that's an entirely different matter, they're more than happy to up your premium!)
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 02 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKRedwing wrote:

Tried ebike for their monthly pay as you go policy? Could use them for 2 months


It's coming out at about 120 a month at cheapest. which is just under half what i'm being quoted for a year and it's money I just haven't got to blow on insurance.

robyarr wrote:
what are they charging and shit


Well rampdale are wanting 600 and odd pound for a year. and the cheapest i can get otherwise now is bennetts at 272 BUT that's with 2 years ncb.

JP7 wrote:
no favours from insurance companies

Yeah I knew they'd happily rip me off but I thought they'd at least make some effort for my business. Bastards.
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PostPosted: 07:38 - 03 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKRedwing wrote:
I'm confused, why can't you just make mid term adjustment to the policy, I.e change the insurance over to the gpz? Or you don't want to be with the same company?


Many 125 policies are with companies that won't cover anything but 125's....

One reason if you are planning on taking a test and gettinga bigger bike afterwards to time it just before your ins runs out or be prepared to take a hit on ncb...

Oh and don't pay monthly if you intend/think you might to cancel mid term Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 03 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just like to clear up, I don't pay monthly for my insurance, I pay annually.

It's looking like i'm gonna have to just bite the bullet and wait. I had to pull the 125 out lastnight to go to a friends. pulling that out when there's a gorgeous fresh GPZ sitting there is AGONY. I'm not going to enjoy the next two months.
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 06 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is anybody able to give me a list / recommendation of which insurers do NOT charge a cancellation fee.

The plan now is to find a company who doesn't, take out monthly cover using 0 NCB and cancel it after 2 months, at which point I can re-insure using my full 2 years NCB.

It's gonna work out cheaper than temp cover even WITH the cancellation fee, but obviously i'd like to avoid it.
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 06 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

get the best price for companies using 2 yrs NCB.


Then get their price for with 1 NCB, remove the full year you have on the 125and transfer it over. Ensure the new company will allow you to add on the second years NCB in two months time. Both bikes insured and no loss of entitlement, just ensure they will recombine the two bonuses when you get them.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 06 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kwaks wrote:
get the best price for companies using 2 yrs NCB.


Then get their price for with 1 NCB, remove the full year you have on the 125and transfer it over. Ensure the new company will allow you to add on the second years NCB in two months time. Both bikes insured and no loss of entitlement, just ensure they will recombine the two bonuses when you get them.


I was told nobody would do that because you're entering into a contract when you take out the policy and you're only able to adjust very limited things within the policy (bike etc.) and NCB isn't one of them. I.e. you start with 1 years NCB, you CAN'T add another year before the end of the policy
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 06 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hang on, how much is the GPz worth, and what level of cover are you going for?

Remember, unless you're going to net at least £500 after subtracting your excess then it's not worth claiming since you'll pay more than that in increased premiums over the next 5 years. Consider that you'll get nobbed on every policy for every vehicle that you have or are likely to have for the next half decade.

If you're not going to claim on fire and theft, then consider insuring the bike as lower than its actual value, and inflating the security: list it as having the best Thatcham/Secure ground anchor system on the list.

Do this even (actually, especially) if you're going for third party only, since value and security are clearly not a risk factor for 3rd party, and it's their own daft fault if they lower your risk and premium because of it.

Higher risk wheezes would be listing the bike as being datatagged, immobilised, or stored at a different (lower risk) address. If you're only really paying for 3rd party cover then consider the things that a court might agree are not material for that type of risk.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 06 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They say patience is a virtue.

Just wait two months, it saves you money, and there's a lot less hassle.

Have you tried MCE insurance? They are pretty good.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 06 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenben92 wrote:
Is anybody able to give me a list / recommendation of which insurers do NOT charge a cancellation fee.

The plan now is to find a company who doesn't, take out monthly cover using 0 NCB and cancel it after 2 months, at which point I can re-insure using my full 2 years NCB.

It's gonna work out cheaper than temp cover even WITH the cancellation fee, but obviously i'd like to avoid it.

To refer you to my previous answer, you will get no favours whatsoever from insurers. They will pretty much all charge you what they can, whenever they can, including cancellation fees, which are hugely expensive and will mean you won't see a lot of change from your premium.

As before, I would wait the two months. Your life will be so much easier!
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 06 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenben92 wrote:
Kwaks wrote:
get the best price for companies using 2 yrs NCB.


Then get their price for with 1 NCB, remove the full year you have on the 125and transfer it over. Ensure the new company will allow you to add on the second years NCB in two months time. Both bikes insured and no loss of entitlement, just ensure they will recombine the two bonuses when you get them.


I was told nobody would do that because you're entering into a contract when you take out the policy and you're only able to adjust very limited things within the policy (bike etc.) and NCB isn't one of them. I.e. you start with 1 years NCB, you CAN'T add another year before the end of the policy


who told you that bullshit?

standard practice for ncb to be withheld on an unresolved claim and then retrospectively added to the new policy on being resolved.
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 06 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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You've got a very good point there mate, for me at the minute, it'd take something pretty fucking serious for me to claim on my insurance. Insurance for me at this age is just a legal obligation, hence just wanting the lowest premiums possible. So undervaluing the bike could be a good way to go. although i'm claiming it's only worth 500 at the minute when it's worth at least 7 or 8.

MinhDinh wrote:
stuff


Yeah I agree that's probably the sensible and easy thing to do. But I'm happy to put all of this work in to be able to ride that kwak a little earlier, the pain that fills my soul when I have to pull the 125 out rather than that is horrible. I'm 18, i'm SUPPOSED to make irrational choices Razz

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I've been on the phone to express insurance today who did, after some coaxing, agree to give me the 2 years NCB, but there was a few problems with their system throwing out incorrect quotes and rather than leaving me on hold for ages, the guy said he'd phone me back. He didn't. So as close as i dared leave it from closing time I phoned back and enquired, the bloke i got through to tried to contact the first guy but to no avail, so he's given me his name and i'm gonna ring back tomorrow, HOPEFULLY this will be sorted... but I have severe reservations. From what I've seen, the companies can easily give you favours, discounts, bonuses etc. but they'll do their best not to. It comes down to which representative you get through to and to how much they're wanting business at the time.

Kwaks wrote:
who told you lies.


Surprise surprise... an insurer.
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