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Glenben92
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 08 Mar 2011    Post subject: Webcam Exposure Software Reply with quote

Right, I have two webcams, one of which is old, the other is VERY old. The VERY old one is lesser in image quality than the other. Using Vista, the newer one was HOPELESSLY dark unless I ticked "Low Light Compensation" or something like that in the 2nd tab of the cam settings menu. But since switching back to XP (which doesn't allow me to tick said box) that webcam is unusable in anything but good daylight. It's obviously a software issue as that very cam HAS been well bright enough in the past. Anybody got any ideas on how/where to find a solution?

The newer cam (i.e the one that matters) is a "Trust"
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 08 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Webcams usually use some form of automatic white balance to try to get as much information out of the image as possible. This can work against them as if your background is really bright and you're quite dark, it will darken the whole shot more.

Most software should allow you to adjust the brightness automatically. Most decent cams work in low levels of light just fine as they use infra red light aswel. My logitec c250 works perfectly fine in the dark using just the light from my monitor.

Keep in mind that the more you screw the focus OUT the darker the image will get as the lense moves further from the imaging sensor.
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 08 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

why the fuck i had logitec in my mind i dont know, it's a trust webcam. and i know about having the light behind the camera and everything, i've tried my best to get it brighter using all of the coloration / gamma / brightness / contrast settings etc. but nothing. It's all to do with this low light compensation mode that vista had (it was vista basic as well!) i'll go correct the OP
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PostPosted: 22:48 - 08 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trust = bollocks. Total and utter.
I had one that claimed to do video at 30fps. It took about 1/4 of a second for the streaks to go away when you moved so i'd say it was more like 4fps Laughing
I've analysed every aspect of most webcams sold and generally the only ones worth using are phillips or logitech.

I think this one is about the nicest cheap one i have
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 08 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably the sensor is knackered. I had one that started off ok but gradually declined until everything, day or night, looked like it was being viewed through a night-vision scope.
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 08 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the thing though Frosty, this cam has ALWAYS been dark without the low light compensation mode. With it, it was excellent. So it's not just the fact that its a shite cam, it's capable of being good enough for me to deal with. but it's just the software side of it, XP doesn't have the ability to add the low light compen into the equation.

And hetzer, as i say, it's always been dark as standard, it wasn't a gradual thing, it was just... plug it into the same computer but running XP instead of Vista and it's shite
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 21 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it's a crap answer, but:
https://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=webcam&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=ktO&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&prmd=ivns&biw=1024&bih=1147&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=11250831024268562290&sa=X&ei=14eHTaqHNca3hAeDrYHPCg&ved=0CKABEPMCMAY#

£10

And though it's probably not stunning as far as modern webcams go, you'd be hard pressed to find any now that are as shocking as the cheap old ones used to be (like the ... Logitech? Trust? I can't remember... that I had at uni, where EVERYTHING was rendered in shades of brown, white, yellow, dank red and muddy navy blue, something like a 6 bit colour depth, and required nuclear-explosion levels of illumination to work properly).

Perhaps it's just time to accept that it's reached its natural retirement date, if you've had enough years out of it?

We're having to look at retiring USB-connected full-fat VIDEO CAMERAS because of lack of driver support in more recent Windows versions now. The manufacturers just can't be arsed updating them any more.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 21 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I completely gave in. I ordered one of these and now use that as both webcam and bike cam. It's excellent. The video quality direct from the unit is better than when it's being used as a webcam, but I have to use a line-in for my audio so it has to be used in webcam mode with the compooper.


https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mini-DV-DVR-Sports-Digital-Spy-Video-Camera-Recorder-/320672236440?pt=UK_Gadgets&hash=item4aa98e0398

results with new camera, light BEHIND me, brightness levels with much more to give: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25WmX1llcAM

Results with old camera, light to the right of the camera (i.e. not shining towards the lens at all) and a white wall behind camera reflecting light onto me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbllozD-0ag

Results with old camera but light behind it (MUST be daylight, it's a big window) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rLdzW3c3C4

Results with old camera in bedroom lighting (same as new cam vid) but when it was behaving itself with low light compensation feature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4974yvC--k
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 24 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenben92 wrote:


£11? I might go for one of those myself. Been after something essentially disposable I can use as a handlebar/helmet/dashcam to blackbox all the insanity that goes on around in case I get smeared at some point. Usually they've come out at stupidly high prices for what they are, so I've been waiting for my regular digicam to break down a bit more til it's no good as an everyday shooter.


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results with new camera, light BEHIND me, brightness levels with much more to give: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25WmX1llcAM


Pretty good... wouldn't say it's the smoothest picture quality or sound (which seems to be the thing with these little ones, particularly when the wind gets on them - need to wrap 'em in foam...), but then it is being viewed through the haze of youtube's default settings.


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Results with old camera, light to the right of the camera (i.e. not shining towards the lens at all) and a white wall behind camera reflecting light onto me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbllozD-0ag


Lol... says it all really.


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Results with old camera in bedroom lighting (same as new cam vid) but when it was behaving itself with low light compensation feature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4974yvC--k


Ah, now you can see what's happening with it here quite plainly. It's massively increasing the exposure time with each frame, similar to what my phone does on "video nightshot", and probably ditching a lot of dynamic range too. You've maybe got about 4-6fps effective rate instead of 15+. Your hand is just an occasionally jerky blur.

Also, your demo videos are SO much better than the things I come up with which are generally walking around and waving at it Rolling Eyes Laughing
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PostPosted: 02:51 - 25 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

tahrey wrote:

Pretty good... wouldn't say it's the smoothest picture quality or sound (which seems to be the thing with these little ones, particularly when the wind gets on them - need to wrap 'em in foam...), but then it is being viewed through the haze of youtube's default settings.


No no, the sound on these vids is derectly lined in from my amp. There's no use of the mic in my vids unfortunately. And there's no example of the (better) image quality that the unit films on its own (i.e. not being used as a webcam)

I could be persuaded to record some on-bike footage to show as an example. Works really well as far as i can see from what i've done so far. There's almost ZERO wind noise with my visor closed (actually sounds quieter on the video than in real life) and my voice is clear as day. Only problem i've found is getting the angle right for filming, but that'll come with a little practice.
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