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PostPosted: 21:58 - 31 Mar 2011    Post subject: Valve clearances and mpg. Reply with quote

Just out of interest, how much does keeping you're valve clearances in check effect mpg?

I bought a 99 Sprint st recently which gets around 32 mpg around town. Its not great and from what i have heard they are supposed to be pretty efficient even for a litre bike, but 32 seems a little low.

It has a new air filter and plugs as well as the latest map. I have yet to sync the carbs which is the next thing on the list. But since i purchased the bike with no service history i have no idea when the valves were last done. She starts on the button and seems to run perfectly so im doubting that the valves are too far out.

On the motorway she does about 38-40 keeping under 90mph which still seems a little low, i have heard they can be good for upto 55. Maybe its just my heavy throttle hand?

Could the exhaust valves being to tight cause it to dump unburnt fuel before complete combustion?
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 31 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valves can effect timing and compression which effects power, so you'd be using more throttle to get the same amount of power therefore using more fuel. I think that unless it's a real problem it's not likely to be a noticeable effect. Carb sync, and mixture settings are far more likely to be playing a bit part.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 31 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

what about the K&N filter, the aftermarket exhaust and richer map you're using?

I think the stock claimed MPG is constant revs at constant motorway speeds.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 31 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, as i thought. If the valves were out i would have noticed hard starting and some loss of power?

Its difficult to tell if the TB's are off as its not a carbed bike, as with previous bikes i would notice rough idling and stuttering at the lower rev range. As its my first injected bike im unsure weather these bikes as well as having an automatic choke have some sort of automatic idle which would mask a rough idle linking to out of sync TB's.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 31 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattsprattuk wrote:
what about the K&N filter, the aftermarket exhaust and richer map you're using?

I think the stock claimed MPG is constant revs at constant motorway speeds.


Motorway mpg quoted was pre modification. Now understanding the Triumph map codes, the bike actually came with the free flowing exhaust map so no changes there. I could try standard map but im pretty sure it would run like a dog.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 31 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might be worth checking the valves if you aren't sure when they were last done.

If the bike is running well I wouldn't start messing about with maps tbh. Possible its running a bit rich hence the poor economy figures.

Check the valves and also balance the injector bodies and see if its any better!
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

A rich running bike is a thirsty but otherwise happy bike. The throttle response will be smooth power delivery. It might foul up plugs now and then.
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Re: Valve clearances and mpg. Reply with quote

Raf wrote:
On the motorway she does about 38-40 keeping under 90mph which still seems a little low, i have heard they can be good for upto 55. Maybe its just my heavy throttle hand?

I think there in probably lies the answer!
My VF would do well over 50 mpg 'taking it easy'..... but my interpretation of 'taking it easy' would be rather more than 'under 90mph', more like 'strictly legal speeds'.
Bashing By Passes between roundabouts, consumption could easily drop to single figures.
Its fuel injected, but the magic mixing device is only that, a mixing device, metering the fuel needed to create a charge of the right proportions to produce the power you are asking for with your fright hand, depending on the system's sophistication, it will 'self tune' to some degree, and under a lot of circumstances it will meter the charge more accurately than a carburettor, BUT, efficiency gain is pretty small compared to being a bit more delicate on the twist grip!
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Single figures do you say? I don't feel so bad now..
Ill check and/or sync the TB's at least tomorrow as it should not take too long, and at least il know if there off straight away.
I've decided to have a "taking it easy" week, i will be trying my hardest to banish my throttle happy right hand and go for a more progressive approach. I will let her run dry and fill her back up and see if i get a significant change in mpg. God help me if the sun comes back though. Im not sure i will be able to help myself.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 01 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still going on? It aint that bad raf get facking used to it!
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