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| majortom86 wrote: | | HisInfernalDRZ wrote: | Don't waste your money, save it for your test |
lol i aint that confident for big bike yet just wanted to know the above wen i am confident enough i cant wait ha |
Err, you traded in a 'classic' two stroke Learner Legal Two Smoke, for a Dressed up CG125.... and want to 'tune' it?!?!?!?
If you wanted more performance, WHY get rid of the RD?!?!?!?!?!?
It had more to start with, and far more pottential thereafter!
Leave it standard, get your tests.
No law says that JUST becouse you have a full licence you HAVE to ride a big bike...... and if you lack confidence, a full licence is as good a way as any to remidy that..... AND it says you CAN have a bigger bike, IF you so fancy it, when your ready.......
And its a damn site cheaper and less hassle than muggering around with an over dressed, over weight, over complicated CBR, for the bonus it brings!
I mean..... old Honda CB250 'Night Hawk' has 20bhp out the box... and weighs about as much as your CBR......... and you could get a WHOLE BIKE, taxed tested and ready to ride, for the price of a few 'bits' that will make negligible difference to your CBR!
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bugger, in that one little outburst you just isolated and insulted
the one person on this forum who most likely would have helped
and given decent advice,
and as you said it, how was he supposed to know the reason why you got rid of the rd?? i sure didnt know,
i was feeling in the helping mood, hmmmm shame
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| Posted: 22:35 - 03 Apr 2011 Post subject: Re: grrr |
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| majortom86 wrote: | ya dnt know the reason why I sold my rd lc 1the reason being someone broke into my garage twice tring to steal it and wen they coouldnt steal it just took parts after this the bearing went in the bottom end so needed full engine rebuild and so on constantly forking out for it and some little scrote out there wanted that bike for keeps it was a beauty but the hassle that came with it was just not worth it |
Your right... I didn't know why you had got rid of the RD, THAT is why I asked, as it seemed such a curiousely backwards step!
| majortom86 wrote: | so by u chirping off without knowing the facts is just stupid ur oviously one of these guys who just pompus and hasn't a clue!!!!!! So keep ur opinions to ur self |
Oh, I think we get to the raw nerve...
| majortom86 wrote: | all the reveiws say its a exellent commuter and very reliable that's y I brought the bike |
Exactly, a COMMUTER, like the CG, only in fancy dress.... 'opinion'?!?!
| majortom86 wrote: | and if I wanna spend a little making the bike that lil better even if it is a over weight. |
Your perogative, as ever.... but for the effort and expense, you wont get much reward for it. Price of a few bolt on tuning goodies for the CBR will set you back as much as you could buy a whole bike with more performance than the bolt on's offer.
But of course, I an a lumped up 'Know Nothing' self ritcheouse prig, whose 'opinion' offered to help you save money and effort, is mereleyt to big myself up and sound funny.... NOT to 'help you out' in any way, is it?
| majortom86 wrote: | Made up cg 125 I will don't need ur sarcastic remarks thanks but no thanks some one out there will help me oviously not ur jumped up self |
Look at the bike you have bought. Its as YOU called it, a 'commuter', one in fancy fairings... if you LIKE that kind of thing FINE, but by no stretch of the imagination can you make it anything more than a commuter bike with posh cloths on.
If you want it to go faster, well, is it the carbed model or efi? New cam new pipe, new ignition map or rejected or upgraded carburettor would be the way to go. Theres loads of stuff out there, but unfortunately the CBR125 was 'Designed' to make 14bhp, it wasn't ever 'restricted' so there is no majic washer up the exhaust you can remove, or resistor in the CDi unit you can by pass to release an extra 18bhp and get the full 33bhp ALL 'unrestricted' 125's have as 'standard'.....
Bang for your buck... its NOT a bike that responds readily to tuning, best you can hope for is around 17bhp, and for that you are looking at pretty big money.
You want to spend it, YOUR call.....
BUT, if you want to go faster, and you want to do it legally, becouse add more than half a horse power to a CBR and its NOT learner Legal anymore..... So fine, spend your money on all the tuning goodies you can find for an extra couple of bhp and a few extra mph, BUT, you'll STILL need to get a licence to ride it legally.....
So, get a licence, save some money, save some hassle, effort and get a bigger bike....
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| majortom86 wrote: | I herd that the new big bike test is quite hard its like in 3 parts aint it 90 mins on the road or something culd u possibly tell me if this test is hard please cuz by the looks of it my CBF is a pile of shit which I'm a bit gutted about |
CBR125 (as a model, cant comment on the one you have!) isn't a 'Pile of Shite', it's merely a bit uninspiring. Its a basic commuter with a bit of bling and slightly more style for those that want it. Its just 'not' anything more than a 'useful' learner-commuter.
If thats what your after, can be a very creditable little bike.
But, TESTS.
1/ Compulsary Basic Training
Not a test but a course, satisfactory completion of gaining a certificate, valid for two years, validatiung the Provisional entitlement on your licence to ride a 125 on L's no pillions.
Prices Variable, usually around the £75 mark on your own bike
2/ Theory & Hazard Perception.
DSA 'exam' in their office on a 'puter, answering multiple choice questions, followed by series of video clips in which a 'hazard' develops and you have to click a mouse like 'spot the ball'.
Costs £31
3/ Practical Exam - Module 1
On the bike infront of an examiner doing some playground excersizes round cones. Aprox half hour
Cost £15.50
4/ Practical Exam - Mod 2
On the bike, on the road, riding around for about an hour trying to remember observations.
Need Valid CBT Certificate, Thoery Pass letter, & Mod 1 pass docket to sit it.
Cost £75
Do all that, and you gain a full licence. If you do it on a 125, you get a 'restricted' 33bhp licence, which after two years automatically 'matures' to let you ride anything.
If over 21 you can do it on a big bike, via DAS, which gives you a full unrestricted licence straight away.
So, its three parts, ish.... depending whether you count the CBT or the Theory.
They are mucking around with it seemingly endlessly, but thats essentially IT, as it stands right now, and will remain for the next couple of years.
In two years time there is a chunk of Euro Legisalation we are supposed to comply with that will make it a right nightmare, where we are probably going to be landed with a stepped licence system, which in effect will mean you have to do the tests twice over to gain a full licence... essentially instead of getting a licence with a power limit for two years, it will be power limited for good, or until you repeat tests on a bigger bike to get full licence.
which is a completely different story, and I have no idea how that fits in with your three part ide or the 90 min suggestion, and is, for the moment an irrelevence, until its actually cleared up WHAT exactly will become law.
For now, CBT, Theory/Haz~Pep, Mod1, Mod 2 = Licence..... and sooner you sort it, sooner you are out the mire of what changes they might or might not make! For sure it ent going to get easier or cheaper.
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| majortom86 wrote: | I herd that the new big bike test is quite hard its like in 3 parts aint it 90 mins on the road or something culd u possibly tell me if this test is hard please cuz by the looks of it my CBF is a pile of shit which I'm a bit gutted about |
Think you owe Mike an apology 
Any way, test shouldn't be too bad, depends what experience you have, how long you been riding on CBT?
Bearing in mind, the restricted (33bhp or less) you can do on your 125, but for the DAS you HAVE to do on one of their 500s
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| majortom86 wrote: | I have been riding on cbt for only 9 months now and so as someone was saying can I actually take my big bike test on my 125 and after two years will be eligable to ride anybike I want automatically is this correct? Because that would be prob the best idea will give me the experiance I need for a big bike then wouldn't u all agree and yes it is the cg newer model but dam as hell reliable for me x |
You've done a U-turn and decided to follow mike's advice. You saw sense then 
If you push the bike for power, you'll lose the reliability, and not gain too much power either. There are little things you can do for small power boost, such as replacing the spark plug with an iridium one, changing the oil, replacing the clogged old air filter with a new one, lubricating and adjusting the chain. Basically, give it a good service, using good parts. And pump up your tyres to the correct pressures! (yes i'm serious, things like that do matter).
I vaguely remember on Top Gear when they bought some 2nd hand car for the track - it was supposed to have ~220bhp, but they worked out it was only producing ~140. (and after a basic service - i.e. like the items above, that went up to ~210!)
Beware that anything further than remedial servicing work is a "modification" as far as your insurer is concerned and you are supposed to declare (and most of the time insurers will take full advantage and charge you plenty) - the alternative to declaring is illegal - you'd be riding with invalidated insurance. Examples along this vein include changing a sprocket to adjust the acceleration vs top-speed (i.e. lose some of one, gain on the other).
Any more, and you're burning cash, as you'll find when you come to sell the bike any messing around you've done to it will reduce its value (as well as cost you money to do in the first place), as most people don't want this sort of bike to have had any amateur "tuning". They want reliability, and even newbies tend to guess that something that's been tuned like mad isn't going to last as long.
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| prawny1 wrote: | | Teflon-Mike wrote: | 33bhp ALL 'unrestricted' 125's have as 'standard' |
Not all "full power" version 125cc bikes are 33bhp In fact very few are, It seems dealers like to quote 33bhp for pretty much all 2 strokes irrelevent of actual power.
If you were being sarcasic then ignore me and "carry on" |
My wit is too subtle..... correct, hardly any road going 125 makes anything close to 33bhp in standard fettle. Think that the 'most' powerful is one of the Aprilia RS125 'variants', which was released as a homologation special for Domestic Market 'proddy racing' and could deliver 31bhp, and for which factory 'race kits' were available to get proddy motors 'close'. Not much else actually delivers over 25BHP. Properly De Restricted NSR's about 26, TZR or DT motors about 23/24ish.... still double the old Learner Legal 12 they came with, but a LONG way from the 33 so many people 'claim' for them all.
| rob yarrr wrote: | | Teflon-Mike wrote: | something wrong. |
its a cbF!!!!! not a cbR |
Yes, sorry about that, Dyslexia kicking in, its in the title, its in the posts, but I STILL read it as cbR, not cbF, until I had to screw my eyes up and try and work out why you commented rob!!?!!?
Most comments still apply though. Its the CG's successor, gaining a new OHC engine, some spangly half fairings, and more comprehensive instruments.
| Redoko wrote: | It's a 125. Do your test.
CBF isn't the type of bike to be 'tuned'
They're nice, comfy, practical bikes. |
Main difference is that where I said the CBR was designed to deliver 14bhp, and had no artificial 'restrictions', same applies to teh CBF, except it was designed to make 10bhp, again without any restrictions.
It COULD be tuned, and quite extensively to get it up to the sort of 14bhp of the Legal Learner Limit.... but an even more futile and frustrating experience TBH.
The 'Old' CG has pretty good support for tuning goodies, becouse its a cult bike, and been around so long, and theres loads of 'bits' you can use to mess with them, like 'race' CDi modules, bugger carburettors etc.. that can get them scaring perhaps 12bhp... without going ovr the Learner 125 capacity restriction, and usually at a rather hefty cost to reliability.
The CBR has a bit more 'stuff' available for it, and there are alternative cam shafts, as well as alternative fuel maps or carburettors and exhausts.... at a price, financial as well as reliability wise.
CBF... as said is a different bike, with a different engine, and unless theres any 'common' interchangeable bits with early CBR motors, I doubt that there's much by way of go faster goodies out there for it.
So it probably would be a frustrating task to try and tackle.
| Ingah wrote: | If you push the bike for power, you'll lose the reliability |
Lol. Yes, Oh So Often. Up the power by tuning, and the loadings on components increase, reducing thier service life, and shortening maintenence intervals.
THOUGH, if you are a bit cute, and start getting into detail 'Built' engines, a lot of stuff can improve power AND reliability, but you are talking maga money, pressision 'Blue Print' building as for racing regulations. Generally, take an old motor, thats half worn out anyway, add some 'bolt on' go faster gizmo, and it will up the power and wear out what you got quicker in the process.
| Ingah wrote: | I vaguely remember on Top Gear when they bought some 2nd hand car for the track - it was supposed to have ~220bhp, but they worked out it was only producing ~140. (and after a basic service - i.e. like the items above, that went up to ~210!) |
Old 'Paddock Lore', before looking for MORE than standard, make sure you have what you should AS standard.
Old example was Well prepared 'standard' Skodas may not be quick, but they win Rallies more often than a clapped out Porshe....
| Ingah wrote: | There are little things you can do for small power boost, such as replacing the spark plug with an iridium one, changing the oil, replacing the clogged old air filter with a new one, lubricating and adjusting the chain. Basically, give it a good service, using good parts. And pump up your tyres to the correct pressures! (yes i'm serious, things like that do matter). |
Claimed power improvements for spark plugs are always in debate, and main benefit of an iridium is the harder ore lasting longer and keeping its corners. All it does is light the fire, spark plug wont add any more energy to whats in there.....
BUT, good plugs, will give a beefier spark and get the fire burning faster, which can be helpful. More noticeable in throttle response than Dyno BHP though.
Basic Servicing, ALWAYS good, and yes, decent tyres at propper pressure, well lubed chain, correct tension, making sure brakes aren't rubbing, correct grade of clean oil in the gear box, all small but significant 'efficiency gains', more so on a lightweight low powered motorcycle.
That Top Gear feature, I think it was an Alfa Romeo or Lancia, was down nearly 40% on power through lack of basic service 'tune'. On a 10bhp Commuter motor, that kind of drop off would be rather more 'significant'... down to 6bhp, you'd struggle to get much over 50mph!
2.5l/250bhp engine, is making 0.1bhp per cc. 125cc/10bhp engine is making 0.08bhp/cc, so strictly, CBF motor is in a lower state of tune than that Top Gear motor. Most motorbike engines would normally be in a much higher state of tune than a car engine, and a 90bhp 600 is delivering 0.15bhp per cc, compared to a family saloon car making maybe 0.07bhp per cc from a 2.0l motor offering 140bhp.
Hence the CBF motor less likely to suffer as much service drop off, but still possible, and with so little power to begin with, far more noticeable on real world performance, as on a little bike you'll be using more of it a lot more often..... ie, you NEED to use all its got just to do 60mph, where 90 on the motorway in a family sallon wont take anywhere near all its avialable power!
| majortom86 wrote: | so can I actually take my big bike test on my 125 and after two years will be eligable to ride anybike I want automatically is this correct? |
There is no such thing as a 'Big Bike Test'.. there is just a Bike Test, in two parts.
You can do it on a 125, or if over 21 you can do it on a full power 500 or more bike.
Do it on the 125, you get a restricted licence, wich has a two year 'probation' limiting you to 33bhp, after which you can ride anything. Do it on full power 500+ (DAS) you get unrestricted licence and can ride anything straight away.
| majortom86 wrote: | Because that would be prob the best idea will give me the experiance I need for a big bike |
If you have a 125, and 15 months of CBT remaining, it would be a good idea....
I have no idea whether it would be 'best' idea, for you or your circumstances, but doing 125 training and test is generally the cheapest and easiest way to a full licence, and once in your pocket, jobs done, even if you have to sit out two years on restriction before getting onto a full power 'big bike'.
For many, that probation is 'transparent', they dont move up from a 125 straight away, and when they do, dont want to be intimidated by anything more powerful than thier licence allows anyway, and are quite happy, riding a 500 twin like a GS500 or ER5, with a couple of washers suffed up its carb rubbers, for a while, getting to grips with a heavier bike.
Some people are quite happy riding things that are 'naturally 33bhp complient, like the old Honda 250 Super Dream or Kawasaki 305, that are not so big, but a bit more substantial than a 125, often cheaper to buy and cheaper to run, and enjoying teh ecconomy, as much as the performance, irrespective of whether thier licence allows them more 'go berries'.
There are no set rules, and we cant say whats the best way to gain the experience you 'need'.... depends what you want to do! But the first step is getting a licence, becouse thats the key that makes all else possible.
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The episode i'm thinking of - i believe it was a Ford Galaxy - a normal 7-seater people carrier anyway. Not that it matters
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